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America: Settling for less to reduce smoking.

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If you’re an American looking to reduce smoking, stop settling for less. Quickly step away from the paid advertisements from the pharmaceutical companies to fund the rigorous and glorified “fight” against tobacco by your friendly neighborhood cessation counselors.

Stop settling for less. Stop dialing quit lines, delete your “free” app. Stop paying attention  to a well organized bunch of morons.

Forget everything you’ve heard, learned and been told to ~swallow~ by anyone in authority. Stop feeding into their substandard propaganda.


The general public doesn’t seem to understand the battle waged by the Food & Drug Administration (FDA), various public health organizations and other distinguished experts in anti-tobacco and tobacco control.


“They” evidently, don’t understand it themselves. They LOVE fake news.

They’re playing a game.

With your lives.


Don’t let them fool you, “They” do completely understand. If less tobacco use were the ONLY goal, they’d be pounding vaping products through brick walls to get people to stop smoking.

If they had balls, they’d be standing up and screaming at the idiots who are saying e-cigarettes are the same as smoking. They’re so busy fighting the tobacco companies – they forgot how to interact with real human beings.

They’re busy worrying about funding for their organizations. They’re too busy keeping tobacco in the forefront instead of letting it die a slow sun-baked death in the field by itself. Without a lot of work.

Wait, then they’d be out of work. “They” have become common criminals.

“They” have no incentive (funding, income, research grants etc.) to reduce tobacco, so they lie about things like nicotine. Formaldehyde. Popcorn Lung. They sit idly by and watch, make things up, and refuse to speak. They use fairy tales about children.

All the while, you’re still contemplating your decision to reduce or eliminate tobacco from your life, while they claim expertise.


They only know how to control. Yet, they’re out of control. They want you to believe the ineffective methods are the only way to reduce or eliminate tobacco –  for you, and – if you combine that with counseling, you’re sure to be one of the approximately 3-7% who succeed. If not, you haven’t been trying hard enough.

Why are you settling for less? Because “they” say so?

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The public does not understand what they may be settling for when it comes to tobacco harm reduction in the United States.




I’ve written President Trump:

Dear President Trump: Stop the F.D.A.




Physicians are advising patients: Physician Advice for e-Cigarette Use

(Mine: Medical Professionals Speak Out on E-Cigarettes.)

I don’t know WHY they wouldn’t.

Withholding differential risk information on legal consumer nicotine/tobacco products: The public health ethics of health information quarantines



I’m not here to see myself type.

They are promoting SMOKING.

Added 02/10/17:

Here’s bias in print:

Research Collaboration Uncovers Biases in UK/US Physician Discussions on E-Cigarettes

Added 02/10/17:

Please, keep smoking.

The FDA’s multi-million dollar campaign attacking smokeless tobacco is almost certainly leading to higher levels of disease by causing Americans to use far-more-hazardous cigarettes,” adds Sweanor.

That’s here:

Smokeless Doesn’t Mean Harmless’ campaign may be doing more harm, researchers argue



The FDA has released a bit of news for the true experts to hash through:

Good news for vape shops (and it’s from the FDA!


But….

FDA Finalizes Tobacco Product Intended Use Rules, Under a Risk of Rescission by Congress

Yet they still want to FIGHT against it….Here’s Mitch Zeller babbling in a relaxed and controlled atmosphereseems he’s confident in his words.


Here’s what you really need to know if you’re struggling with tobacco.

This, courtesy & via The Vaper is another way consumers, without professional ties to industry, are helping each other and smokers thinking of switching to a much less harmful alternative.


E-cig tips for smokers who want to switch

E-cigarettes were invented, & are continuously being improved, by companies that don’t sell cigarettes.

Although big tobacco companies now own or produce several types of basic e-cigarettes, the e-cigarettes sold by non-tobacco companies are far more satisfying and come in many delicious flavors.

Both Public Health England and the Royal College of Physicians have recommended that e-cigarettes be widely promoted to smokers – they estimate that e-cigarettes are at most 5% as dangerous as smoking.

The majority of the health benefits offered by e-cigarettes come down to the fact that e-cigarettes deliver nicotine in a vapor rather than as smoke. It is the smoke that makes smoking most harmful, like heavy smog or smoke from a house fire, tobacco smoke contains at least 60 carcinogenic chemicals. While carcinogens have been detected in some e-cigarette flavorings, it is typically at levels hundreds of times lower than in tobacco smoke.

There is no evidence that nicotine in low doses is dangerous, nor is there evidence that nicotine by itself (when not ingested as part of a combusted product like a cigarette) is carcinogenic. In fact, nicotine has been approved for sale to children 12 & older, over the counter, as nicotine patches and gum. Further, when separated from the complex mix of chemicals in tobacco smoke, nicotine has not proven nearly as addictive as cigarette smoke. Many people who use e-cigarettes gradually lower their nicotine concentration with no noticeable negative effects, and no cigarette craving.

E-cigarettes have already helped millions of smokers to stop smoking. A lot of their success comes down to the fact that they not only replace the nicotine of conventional cigarettes, but also the ‘action’ of smoking, which many ex-smokers using patches & gum miss and which leads to them relapsing to smoking. E-cigarette use by young smokers has caused smoking among youth to fall at an unprecedented rate.

For sensible advice & guidance when looking into buying an e-cigarette, trust mostly the advice from the following sources:

  • Experienced staff at a dedicated e-cigarette shop, or ‘vape’ shop as we call them. These folks are typically ex-smokers/current vapers themselves.
  • Other vapers who have given up smoking. Vapers commonly love helping other smokers to give up, and love sharing their experience to help them get a satisfying flavor & strength of e-liquid, as well a refillable, adjustable ‘vape pen’ or ‘mod’ to transform that e-liquid into the vapor to be inhaled.

Taking up vaping might seem a little daunting, so it’s helpful to use an experienced person to help you find the combination that works best for you. But once a new vaper has found that ‘sweet combination’ that works for them, it is simply the most enjoyable, easy & effective way to cease smoking.

Nothing is safer than breathing fresh mountain air, but if a smoker cannot give up cigarettes using more conventional methods or therapies, e-cigarettes might just be the thing that allows you to break the smoking habit completely, and permanently.

E-cigarettes: Healthier for you, no threat to bystanders at all.


Millions of us, like The Vaper and I, are not allowing you to “settle” for the same tired, drawn out processes the people in “control” would like you to endure. After all, it is mostly a made up game with players from every aspect of tobacco control. Here’s a bit about how your “addiction” came about via Rampant Antismoking:



“The antismoking bandwagon gained considerable momentum in the five years following the EPA report, prior to the Osteen ruling. Also important is that in the early 1990’s the pharmaceutical cartel and pharma-philanthropy (e.g., Robert Woods Johnson Foundation http://www.rwjf.org/pr/product.jsp?ia=143&id=14912) weighed into the circumstance.

The WHO formally partnered with the pharmaceutical cartel in antismoking (http://www.who.int/inf-pr-1999/en/pr99-04.html) Also, “The American Medical Association, Chicago, and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF), Princeton, N.J., planned, organized and conducted the 11th World Conference on Tobacco OR Health, which was held in August 2000.” – http://www.rwjf.org/programareas/resources/product.jsp?id=17719&pid=1141

Seizing the opportunity for the sale of essentially useless ‘nicotine replacement therapy’ (NRT) if smokers are progressively pressured to quit, the pharmaceutical interests provided more and more funding and momentum to the antismoking bandwagon. So, despite the Osteen ruling, by the late-1990’s antismoking had become a frenzy. Antismokers, through long-time corrupt conduct, dictated all proceedings and antismoking was awash with funding. The march continued towards fulfilling the Godber Blueprint.”



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Wikipedia:

Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction.[1] Sometimes, this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).[2] In other cases, its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.[citation needed]

In its extreme form, it can also be a form of brainwashing.[1]




If the goal is “less harm”, take them to task, ask “them” why this is acceptable to “reduce harm”, yet vaping products are not.


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Take this to heart. If vaping products didn’t work, I would NOT tell you they do with a 79% success rate. Question EVERY “authority” placing doubt in your mind, and do not take “because we said so” as an excuse for them to be condescending because of your curiosity,  or allow them to question your integrity.

Question theirs, ask them why they haven’t educated themselves enough to be much more informative, why they would continue to embarrass themselves, and don’t settle for anything less. Hold them to their own “high standards”.

“They”, after all, are a business.


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Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

E-cigarette users enjoy 79% success without tobacco

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I don’t care what the CDC, FDA or the American Heart, Lung or Cancer “associations” and affiliates SAY, I care more about what they’re NOT saying to the public.

Lets just say it was your job description, as an expert in tobacco use, tobacco control or anti-tobacco – or pick a title from the various organizations, government or government funded –  to reduce or eliminate smoking. To use the BEST and unbiased information available to do so, to “help” smokers. What a monumental task.

Imagine having to deal with the very people you despise, detest and loathe…a bunch of smokers. Ugh. Put on your nanny cap, now – the detestable souls need your help, advice, encouragement and of course, while you’ve got them, shame them.

Sprinkle in a few knowledgeable phrases like “try harder” and “keep trying” and send them on their way with the approved, “free” yet ineffective patch or gum shown to have, at best, a 7% success rate  – or, if in yourhighly revered by your peers opinion, they’re beyond help – suggest another known and approved prescription from their doctor as if your salary, funding & grants depended on it…

– they’re just addicts. BUT, you know what’s best for those lowlifes.

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NOW, imagine if you claimed you wanted to reduce or eliminate tobacco – to help smokers who want it. It’s all or part of your job description. Only this time you KNOW there’s another alternative – vaping products. E-cigarettes. Now for this exercise you must:

  • Think for yourself
  • Communicate, ask questions to those you’ve encountered already doing it
  • Use google without help from your 7 year old
  • Make informed and educated decisions based on what you know
  • Understand the difference between combustion and non-combustion
  • Understand it is a much less harmful choice.
  • Make determinations from those points above to reach a conclusion
  • Stand up, have some balls and speak out loudly against and directly to your colleagues

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There are professionals – colleagues –  already doing that here.


Remember those bullet points!

Bill Godshall, the Executive Director at Smokefree Pennsylvania – pointed out the astoundingly obvious about a survey conducted where the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) funded a 2013 Moffitt Cancer Center online survey of 1815 adult vapers (who had a history of daily cigarette smoking, and had smoked for at least a year) finds:

– 79% had completely quit smoking cigarettes

– 1% smoked last cigarette >5 years ago

– 23% smoked last cigarette 1-5 years ago

– 20% smoked last cigarette 6-12 months ago

– 34% smoked last cigarette 1-6 months ago

– 95% were daily vapers

– 29% vaped >20 times per day

– 40% vaped 10-20 times per day

– 30% vaped 1-10 times per day

– 83% vaped non tobacco flavorings

– 17% vaped tobacco flavoring

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306460315300174

BUT the authors buried all of these important findings in a table (Table 2), and failed to discus or mention any of these findings in the text or abstract of the study.

To obtain the full text of this study for free, go to
Addictive Behaviors | Vol 52, Pgs 1-126, (January 2016) | ScienceDirect.com
then scroll down and click on the title or PDF of the study
“Gender differences in use and expectancies of e-cigarette users: Online survey results”

At the end of August 2013, Moffitt began the online survey
Moffitt Cancer Center: Moffitt Cancer Center Researchers Want to Talk To E-Cigarette Users
with many vapers at ECF participating in the survey (and recruiting others to do so) at
TBO.com : Moffitt researchers want to hear from e-cigarette users

In the summer of 2015, Moffitt announced they received a $3.6 million grant from NIH to conduct this study at
Moffitt Cancer Center: Moffitt Cancer Center Receives $3.6 Million Grant to Study E-Cigarettes

According to Moffitt Cancer Center, this (gender differences among vapers) is the first e-cigarette study authored or coauthored by the study’s Prinicpal Investigator Thomas Brandon
Moffitt Cancer Center: Moffitt Cancer Center: Thomas H. Brandon

So why am I exposing these survey results (instead of the folks at Moffitt who received $3.6 million from NIH and conducted the study)?

And why did Moffitt researchers wait two years, and then bury their findings in a data table of an article that focused exclusively on gender differences found in their survey?

And why didn’t Moffitt Cancer Center issue a press release announcing these survey results?

I strongly suspect the answer to all of those questions is because the study results refute Obama’s DHHS 7 year old propaganda campaigning demonizing e-cigs, and contradict the policy goal of DHHS for FDA to ban e-cigarettes.

This appear to be yet another example of federally funded researchers not wanting to bite the hand that feeds them (and that could feed them very well for many more years). Bill Godshall, Jan 20, 2016



Added 3/12/17

Among those making a quit attempt, use of e-cigarettes as a cessation aid surpassed that of FDA-approved pharmacotherapy.

Long-term e-cigarette use and smoking cessation: a longitudinal study with US population



 

Remember those bullet points above.

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My survey ran from December 2014 to January 2015 and had 7,238 participants worldwide. 2% said vaping products DID NOT WORK.

42% stopped IN ONE DAY.

A total of 75% had success rate with vaping products within a month.

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I allowed comments after each of the 14 questions.

Here are just SOME of the unedited comments from those participants “public health” likes to ignore:

my 1st vape was my last cig
I was a dual user vaping 98% of the time and rarely smoking in the the first half of the past 4 1/2 yrs. I totally quit in August 2013.
Couldn’t find the right style vape now I drip and it’s awesome!
tried medication, zyban, patches, lozenges, patched,,gum spray but vaping was like freedom
I have not smoked a cigarette since, I started vaping. Last cigarette was at 12 pm first vape 2 pm the same day.
As mentioned, I first tried vaping at 18MG in Feb 2014 and mostly vaped but also smoked an occasional cigarette for just over a month. Then I went out for an evening with friends in March, had a fer glasses of wine & ended up asking a friend for a cigarette. This prompted a relapse into smoking nearly all the time with an occasional vape, but it didn’t ‘hold’ me. In May 2014 I was going on holiday somewhere I couldn’t smoke, so I decided to get some 24MG juice in the hope that something stronger might get me through. It did! 🙂 I didn’t miss smoking and didn’t feel edgy or restless due to nicotine withdrawal, either. I actually really enjoyed it.
I smoked rolling tobacco and had deliberately not taken it on holiday. However, when I got back home I did have some urges to smoke it. I had VERY little left in the packet, about 4 or 5 slim roll-ups and I couldn’t quite get myself to bin it, so I 99% vaped and over 3 days had half a roll-up occasionally until it was gone. When it was gone I knew that if I wanted more tobacco I would have to go and buy it. So I made a decision not to. It was a no-brainer! Vaping was much nicer, I felt better already and hadn’t enjoyed the taste of the cigarettes compared to Coconut Caramel juice. It wasn’t a difficult decision, but it was a necessary one for me. To be clear in my own mind that vaping was the way forward for me. I haven’t looked back.
I had tried using the e-cigs 7 yrs ago, and failed…not enough puff to satisfy! then the vaping pens came out! So I decided to try them. Alot more satisfaction, more vapor ! feels much more like an alternative to smoking
Still smoke a bit
The vaping industry didn’t have the technology i needed to feel satisfied until more recently
i never took up vaping to quit smoking
Because when i started i did completely quit forthree months then tried a cig did it back and forth for a few months then im back to no cigs again.
I borrowed from my dad to see if it would satisfy my cravings. Once my starter kit arrived, I switched over immediately.
4 days and I could no longer tolerate cigarettes.
Using too low of nicotine. Tried stopping at 6mg
Same time I started vaping I automatically stopped smoking.
took will power but it works for me
I began vaping to just cut down the number of cigarettes, within one week I was not smoking any cigarettes and have not had one since.
Replaced smoking with Vaping and never picked up another cigarette. That was my Goal and even though tough for the first week, it worked.
I vastly preferred the taste of vaping from my first puff and never got nicotine cravings despite having smoked 2 1/2 packs of cigarettes a day.
in the process of quiting but it’s hard when everyone around you smokes cigarettes and your only allowed to vape in designated areas alongside other smokers who have no regard for you or the fact your trying to quit
true
Quit cigarettes day 1 of vaping.
Stopped smoking as soon as I started vaping.
Made the switch from smoking a pack a day to vaping. No more cigarettes from that day forward.
I told myself I was gonna quit and used my vape instead.
After the first day I never wanted another cigarette. Absolutely no desire to see, smell, or taste one.
Use 0 nic to help weight loss.
Pros & Con’s ???!!!obvious
The pen wasn’t enough got a mvp and kicked smoking
Gave away 4 fresh packs within a week of stopping. Already knew it was gonna work!
Well that 1st week I might have smoked a few cigs but they had me on like 12mg nic. and that just wasn’t strong enough after I switched to 24mg I haven’t touched a cig since.
Because 0 days wasn’t an option
I tapered off to two a day, then quit completely after about a year.
Quit smoking, used e-cigs for 2 weeks, saw my first vape unit and asked what it was. Went online, found a freebie, found a store selling better and upgraded, etc, etc.
I stopped smoking the very minute i began vaping.
I smoked for the first 20 days that I vaped. Still felt I needed that smoke before bed. One cigarette a day. When the pack was empty, I was able to quit completely.
I just liked it more
It took me about a month to completely quit cigarettes and only vape
Because it’s true.
Started vaping, never had another cig.
it took about a week for comparison reasons and vaping won the comparison
I swapped vaping for smoking immediately as soon as I got my kit in the post
Stopped smoking the day I started vaping
I was on vacation and had smoked and vaped two weeks. After the holiday completely only vaped.
I never smoked again since my first E-Cig
I started vaping to help control cravings for sweets, from smelling vapor output by my roommate.
Kept goin back to the damn things.
I was looking for something that helps me to stop smoking, and this was just the answer
See previous comment
Immediately stopped smoking as soon as I filled up my fist atty.
It was a hard transition but I eventually just started vaping
Took about a week to not even want or be able to hit a cig
bought a starter kit battery with clearomizer and tobacco flavoured e-liquid. Tried it for a week the gave up. 3 months later bought a variable wattage device and refillable tank with dessert flavoured e-liquid and quit smoking that day.
As Q4.
I quit smoking within 24 hours.
Was pretty much instant.
As soon as I started vaping I did not smoke a cigarette again.
Quit smoking about a month after starting vaping. When I quit I didn’t smoke for almost a year. Then my aunt died and I had a few cigs. Should of never did that.
In fairness, I stopped smoking the day I started vaping. I had decided to give myself a week to see how it went. Never went back to smoking.
I put 1 week but it was really 12 days, so I don’t feel “one month” really fit.
Took that long to find the right combination of hardware and juice/nic strength/pg/vg) ratio to quit smoking for good.
I wanted to stop smoking all together, so I went in with that attitude and it worked for me.
don’t really understand this question
~ 6 weeks.
For the first week I still smoked the occasional cigarette at times such as great stress and first thing in the morning.
put out the cigarette, turned on the vaper and never looked back
After trying the ecig, never wanted to go back to cigarettes.
Quit smoking right when I started vaping
same day. As a matter of fact, I have a full pack of cigarettes in my drawer. As soon as my pen came in, I quit smoking cigarettes.
I smoked and vaped for about four years. I finally quit smoking two months ago and now only vape.
I was smoking the last pack of the carton I had before I went to strictly vaping.
Both smoked & vaped for the last 2 years until right before Xmas 2014, just couldn’t do without that cig upon waking before going to bed…bought new Vape gear on Black Friday of 2014…totally quit cigs before Xmas of 2014.
Took me awhile to find the right setup and juice.
Smoked and vaped. Decided it was better to use vaping to quit smoking and I did.
About a week then just a couple a day
Cut back on cigarettes by 90% but it took me a whole year before I was ready to give up the last of them.
It took a bit to get comfortable and work my way off the cigarettes but once i started vaping a pack of cigarettes would last 2 weeks.
did both for about a month , then gave up cigarettes altogether.
actually the first vape was no more smoking
Once I had the right gear I finished my fags one night and started using the vape the next day.
I bought a cig-alike to see what the gimmick was with it, and found out that the flavors made vaping enjoyable. I quit smoking without trying because I enjoyed the e cig so much more!
I stopped smoking cigs for 6 months before vaping
See above…I found the transition surprisingly easy
I WALKED OUT OF THE STORE WITH MY SET UP AND I HAVE NOT TOUCHED A CIGARETTE IN 415 DAYS.
It was actually more than one day, but less than a full week.
I actually quit smoking using nicorettes, but hate gum, so switched over to vaping.
I still haven’t completely quit the cigs.
when i got my first ecigarette kit, i stop buying cigarettes. its ben over a year since i purchased cigarettes, and since no longer purchasing i no longer smoke them. i did have a relapse once, and thats because my ecigarette broke that day and i had no backup, so i went and bought a pack of smokes.
I started with low powered cig-alikes which were nearly useless.
Stopped smoking 3 days after I received my starter kit.
About 2 weeks
Tried vaping on and off for 3 years.
Tried cigalikes, unsatisfying, batteries were inconvenient.
Tried ego-t, batteries better but cartridge prone to leaking.
Made switch to vaping with mini Davide tank… No leaks, plenty of battery.
Started vaping 1 month ago, I still have the occasional cigarette but went from 30 cigarettes a day to maybe 1 per day.
The second I made the switch to vaping I haven’t touched tobacco. I had probably 10 full dip cans laying around because vaping helped me that quick.
Set a date to stop and swapped
Vaping was working for awhile until i went on vacation then started smoking again.
I have not smoked since I took my first vape.
See previous comments (Immediate cessation of smoking when started vaping)
Slowly transitioned into it
After the first day vaping I didn’t touch any cigarette for the last 9 months and I will never touch a cigarette again.
I made a firm decision to stop smoking and take up vaping and thus did it.
It took me a month of consciously replacing every cigarette of the day with vaping. And I’ll admit I struggled in that first month. There’s the learning curve of dealing with the equipment and the initial frustration of that coupled with regular cigarette cravings made that first month harder. But once you get the hang of how the equipment works and regularly replace cigarettes with it, it becomes easier.
Still have not completely stopped smoking down to a pack a week
see above
After picking up my device, I took me maybe a week or two to search for flavors that I like in order for me to not pick up a cigarette
I was able to make the switch immediately.
when I stated vaping the best thing you could buy was a small 510 and dakang juices if I could find the juices and rda I have now I would of quit smoking that day
I quit smoking the day I started vaping
It was a transition….
I never looked back, it worked great for me.
The day I started vaping was the day I quit smoking. I had a few cigs here an there at first but the last year no smoke in my lungs what so ever.
I smoked my last cig when I bought my e cig kit
Just wanted to quit cigarettes , caught went away and feel better.
I started with one of the cig a likes. That didn’t work. Then had a couple of 500 egos. Still not satisfying. Finally went to 1100 twist and a spinner. Read a book Easy Way To Quit Smoking. Set a date and quit.
Determined
I stopped smoking on the day I started vaping. Have not gone back.
about 6 months before I went days without a cigarette
About 3 weeks
After I bought my vape and started I never had a cigarette again
Once I started vaping, I knew I was no going back to smoking a real cigarette.
I’m slowly decreasing my cigarettes while vaping
as above
I tried a friend’s e-cigarette 4 or 5 times and then went and got my first setup. Quit smoking cold turkey after buying.
I put out my last cig on my way into the vape shop.
I smoked my last cigarette while putting my starter vape kit together
Because it worked
because it felt like the safer option, and i stoped smelling like a dirty ash tray
5 days smoking while vaping, after that I no longer smoked
smoked my last cigarette the same night my friend let me try his ecig
It took about a week to get off cigs completely
Started vaping with unsatisfactory vaping kit, went back to smoking. Got better equipment and stopped smoking alltogether after a transition period of a few months during which i smoked 1-3 cigarettes per day.
Never felt desire to quit entirely
For me, vaping was not a direct replacement for smoking. It took a conscious effort to quit smoking. Vaping is easier, more cigarette like, than nicotine patches, lozenges, etc…, but it’s not the same.
Because it’s true!
I quit cigarettes and started vaping the same day.
At start i had bad ecigarettes they didnt work as planned and it took half a year to get good stuff
addition: the moment I started vaping, so more like within a minute
It was actually 2 days but that was the hardest part and then I just stopped
I’ve had one cigarette a day since I got my istick. I consider myself quit.
smoked 10 cigs in total over 3 day period before completely quitting
After smoking for so long.. vaping was different and I was still trying to adjust my nicotine intake and needed to gain more knowledge of vaping equipment and other things..
Preferred it right away.
picked up a ecig and never looked back
i started vaping the day after i stopped smoking
i definitly change cigarettes for vaping with first taste e-cig.
28 days.
Quit the same day.
I smoked a few cigs the first 2 days.
see last answer
From second day i started vaping, i have not touched 1 single sigarette
I got my tornado c, delivered in the morning at 0900, put it on charge, added juice, and couldn’t wait till the light turned green. Had my last cigarette at 1100, and then started my journey into vaping at 1200. had one cigarette a week later, to see if i was missing anything, had to stub it out ofter the 2nd toke, as i felt sick.
Haven’t tried it yet
I was a dual user, than just found myself not smoking at all one day
Went from smoking a solid 2 packs a day, to less than 2 packs a week so far.
I didn’t smoke
After a year I gave snus a shot and was able to give up smoking analogues.. I dont particularly like vaping cause it tightens the chest but do vape daily instead of smoking .. i feel much better for it .. my appendages are not always cold all the time and i breath much better
3 days
From the first day I cut down from 40 to eight.
The moment I got my #1 e-cig loaded I gave my cigarrettes away.
I was able to go to complete vaping!
Am still smoking and vaping
Quit smoking when I started vaping
Initially used a fairly basic PVD and although not great, I realised that it had potential. Further research using Internet/YouTube etc., made me realise that there was some really well made and nicely designed products out there using reliable batteries and rebuildable atomisers etc. always sourcing genuine quality eliquids that are manufactured using pharmaceutical quality ingredients – UK and US only and staying clear of Far Eastern sources.
I start vaping when i finish my last tobacco box.
I decided to stop fags and stuck with it by vaping
Smoked and vaped. Blu helped the cravings bit didn’t satisfy. When I went mechanical, I never looked back.
Stopped smoking immediately upon purchasing vApe
Went to sleep a smoker, woke up a vaper. That’s the truth.
Stopped smoking on night of 2-19 and started vaping on morning of 2-20.
I started vaping so I didn’t always have to go outside. Once the technology was good enough, I easily gave up the cigarettes.
i smoked 1 cigarette every morning for the first 4 days
I didn’t need to smoke. I had 2 products which can give me nicotine. I choose the one with the better flavour (I mean my personal vaper)
Easy switch
i stopped fully, and now smoking back 5 to 10 cigs/day, personnal reasons like stress …
from the outset, I changed the snuff by e-cigar
I dual used for about a week, which was my intention when I started vaping. Each day I found myself smoking fewer cigarettes until I decided that I could just quit them out right.
The e-cigarette set was weak.
I quit nearly completely the instant I took my first “puff” of my first e-cig. I quickly began to desire the vaping more than the smoking, and in 2 weeks, I stopped smoking altogether.
I was an early adopter. Around 2007. The products on the market at the time were unsatisfactory.
only power over 6 watts worked, (cigalikes are 1 to 3 watts), now years later my range in 8 to 13 watts
I took 1 cigarette each morning 20 days and the pack was empty. I have not bought cigarettes ever since.
I tryed vaping for the first time in 2009 but the e-cigarettes back than aren’t that good, thats why I started smoking again. Last year I just wanted to try vaping again and I quit smoking within 1 Day. I am a non smoker since 7 months.
It worked. It was easy. My health and fitness very rapidly improved.
Ran out of ecig cartridges, bought cigs and smoked them all, bought cartridges and ran out again bought cigs and smoked half the pack, bought cartridges and then moved up eventually to DIY Kanger products.
start vap et stop smoking in same time
Made the decision to stop 1st of January 2014 and Vape instead, stuck with it
I felt sick after “enjoying” the day first cigarette on day 4.
It only took me 3 days to stop smoking – around 40 cigarettes per day before. Day 1 of vaping: 20 cigarettes. Day 2 of vaping: 3 cigarettes. Day 3 of vaping: 1 cigarette. From day 4 onwards: No more cigarettes!
As above
Had one cigarette in morning after first vape then tried a second and put it out
I stopped smoking with the first use of a vape.
I stopped with my first proper vape kit. ego spinner, kanger& aspire c5. If you include cig a likes I tried one vapourlites? a month prior for a few hours had a bad experience (PG) & smoked along side.
Ordered stronger nic% flavoured disposal flavored shiaha e sticks for a better idea, as low budget a kits a big step all NRT & even cig a likes were no use, so was cautions.
Thought ok maybe I can do this IF i get the flavour right I wanted strong, coffee seemed.to be my most successful hours without cigs, over a 2 day trial.
So few months on I got the real deal, expecting id trail off gradually. But the fkavour& delivery was perfect. Daily I stare at my emergency cig in my car & an unopened pack at home and know Ive won. Sounds silly but in life Ive had addictions and know Ive finaly conquered them when I display them at home & laugh at them daily.
I quit cigs the day i started vaping.
….poor layout guys
I think it took me a long time to stop smoking as well because the initial ecigs that I tried were not very powerful.
Went straight from smoking to vaping
That’s all it took to convince me I finally had an alternative to tobacco.
od razu zaczęłam wapować i rzuciłam palenie
I had a transitional period
Good advices on devices and liquid are VERY important to completely stop smoking! Even crucial.
At the beginning, I bought “the bad e-cig” ; misfit i mean. Then, I found a shop that had “knowledge” => i completely stopped smoking since this day…
I enjoy my personal benefits of vaping or smoking when I feel each is appropriate for my special needs
As I told you, there were two ocassion in which I run out of e-liquids and I used real tobacco. Just those two.
It works for me
For many years I tried to quit smoking but failed. I tried patches and gum on several occasions but I continued to smoke while using them. Then on 1st November 2013 I bought an ecig starter kit. I smoked my last stinky that evening the following morning I filled the carto with 24mg tobacco flavour e liquid and I have not looked back since…. 🙂
I quit smoking for 3 years. Then my wife and friends started vaping. I tried and have been hooked.
After a year of quitting I slipped back into the bad habbit but wanted a way out.
tryed a 510 cig a like did not do the job about 8 months l8er got a mod did the job
I still smoked for one week whilst vaping just out of habit but soon realised I did not need both
I literally quit cigs overnight with an electronic cigarette
I enjoy it
Did start earlier, but with bad matérials & no nicotine juices. ( Nicotine is forbiden in e-cig juices in belgium )
I started vaping with the intention of cutting down on smoking to save money and just haven’t felt like smoking since I first vaped.
I still do both, but cut down on cigarettes massively and use the vape to get my nicotine
I selected didn’t work but that’s a little unfair as i havn’t been at it long enough yet
45 days exact and certainly more to come.
I still smoked when drinking a beer, now I got used to vape while I’m drinking it.
I have been able to quit smoking completely since a brick and mortar vape shop opened in my town, before when my batteries died or I needed more e-juice I would give up and start smoking while waiting for my supplies to arrive in the mail
Inmediatly
The truth
Had to start using NET’s to quit tobacco
I was still smoking for abt a week when I started vaping but a lot less
Mixte vaping and smoking before pass to vaping only.
I tried about five years earlier didn’t work then decided to quit and start vaping at same time
Previous answer explains
in der nur zum Kaffee eine Pyro
I took a day or two to get the vaping techneque right. Then thought I’d see how long I could go without a cigarette and I’m still vaping.
Stopped smoking and started vaping directly
I had one smoke after I started vaping and found the taste of tar and ash disgusting.
but again, still smoking tobacco in my joints.
Intention was to use vaping instead of smoking
Was vaping and smoking for around 10 months, cutting down the cigs and vaping more during this time then came off the cigs completely.
i am still vaping
See above answer
2 days exactly
Loved it right away
Still occasionally smoke
Had the wrong equipment for me, Once i found everything I needed it was simple
I vaped exclusively since day 1 of using a PV
The same day I started vaping, I quit smoking and haven’t looked back.
I started vaping the cigalikes the same day I gave up. But have since moved onto mods now as far more enjoyable.
EVOLUTION DE LA VAPE EN ARRETANT PROGRESSIVEMENT LA CIGARETTE
See answer on Q4
Started vaping at noon and I had one cigarette in the afternoon. The day after I had one cigarette.
It took me a week to transition fully to vaping.
I am slowly weaning myself off of analog cigarettes
Smoked and vaped until I ran out of tobacco (rolled my own and had some left over).
I quite the same day I got it!
Started to vape in the middle of February with 1 or 2 cigarette a day. Definitively quit smoking at the end of February
like i said above 🙂
during this period I reduced by half my smoke consumption with the vape
2 years, becoz carto, CE5, ego 650, or other stuff wasn’t addapted for me
a period during which one wonders if the vapotage for me.
(sry im french)
Ha-ha
Ok I get it, it’s just a non-optionnal to have that stupid “oh explain me something useless to explain” box ?
I still smoked some cigarettes after I started vaping, but promptly, I was skipping more cigarettes without noticing.
Fue empezar a vapear y como mi intencion fue la de dejar los analogicos no me costo.
vaping was an immediate success, even with those antique lookalikes
One of the reasons I’ve encouraged so many other people to vape is because I “accidentally” quit smoking with my first e-cig without any effort at all. Transitioned from 30+ a day down to 1 or 2 a day in about a fortnight, dropped to an occasional cigarette (1 or 2 a month) after that for almost a year but stopped altogether after I realised there was absolutely NOTHING I liked about them any more.I actively enjoy vaping much more than I ever did smoking.
last cig 1 hour bevore vaping first evod with 9 mg
I always felt nothing could replace cigarettes and i enjoyed smoking but did not enjoy the chemicals, smells etc that cake with smoking. My local cape shop helped educate me in alternative products, tanks, batteries and flavours and how to combine all of this into a more pleasurable experience that gives me the same satisfaction of smoking but in a healthier environment.
Before today’s mod’s the fabrics were terrible.
I havent smoked since my first vape.
5 weeks of slowly cutting down on the amount of smoking. Until smoking was quit altogether.
I started using “ciga-likes” from the gas station, but it wasn’t enough. Once I found a mod/tank setup I liked, I stopped smoking.
First Gen. (cigalike) didn’t quite do it for me, and would have the odd sneaky rollup out of desperation.
I bought my aspire pen type before lunch. Had lunch and smoked pipe, once charged I started vaping and didn’t bother with my pipe after that.
see above.
I first tried a disposeble cig-alike and then bought a battery and clearemiser (and liquid). Never wanted a cigarette since.
see last question
After a few days, my cigarettes started to tast bad.
I quit tobacco use overnight
3 days… the time to finish the cigarettes i had with me.
On the first day I stopped smoking.
I quit in 4 days
Had my last smoke on the way into the vape shop. Left with an ego kit and haven’t had a cigarette since.
It was a spur of the momment decision one saturday afternoon and i have not touched a stinky again
Stop smoking the day I started to vape
it was between 1-2 months before i decided change smoking with vaping.
I no longer had to go outside to get my nicotine since the smell is much more tolerable than with tobacco smoke.
I decided to give vaping a chance. Carried my baccy tin for a couple of days “just in case” but never needed it
I got my first ecig in October 2008. The hardware wasn’t that good then so I found I still needed to smoke some cigarettes. Over the next 10 months I got better devices until I could completely switch in August 2009.
I did not try to quit, I just wanted to reduce but I prefer vaping to smoking.
It was that obvious that this would work.
Well, i smoked in the morning before i bought the vape maschine my last cigarette.
see comments on above question
I bought a cheap ego kit and stopped straight away.
After the second day Vaping i smoked less and after the 3th day i stopped smoking cigarettes and only Vaped
Once I found Snus, I was able to get off the ciggies altogether and just Vape and use Snus when needed
First fape i was hooked, haven’t had a ciggie since.
Took 3 days to change over completely.
Was looking for a way to quit, but didn’t know how.
Have tried everything..
5 days actually.
As I stated above, it was instant, there was nothing left to lose.
Thought it would help me cut down on the amount of tobacco cigarettes I smoked. Liked it so much I stopped smoking cigarettes all together.
We wanted to transition into quitting so vamped and smoked then chose a quit day.
I had already stopped smoking before I started vaping.
It’s an on going process..
Tried vaping out of curiosity, not to quit smoking. Found that I smoked only a couple of cigarettes a day. After 2-3 weeks decided there was no point and stopped having those couple a day.
as above
I only used the ecig for a week and use it now very rarely. I take it with me when I’m around heavy smokers
Vaping is not legal in many countries
i just stopped smoking and started vaping



Skimmed to here? That’s fine – I may have as well – there are THOUSANDS more testimonials collected here, including mine, by consumers at CASAA

Not convinced? More here from Clive Bates:

Vaping testimonies


Read what Dr. Brian Carter (CASAA Director of Scientific Communications) says:

Public Health’s Truth Quandary

Read what Dr. Michael Siegel (Dr. Siegel – Professor in the Department of Community Health Sciences, Boston University School of Public Health ) says:

You Can’t Identify Potential Benefits of E-Cigarettes if You Only Look for the Risks: The Flaw in Current E-Cigarette Research


If you’re incapable of understanding anything above, go here.

If “your job” is about reducing tobacco use worldwide:

DO some research HERE.


Call, email or visit one of these organizations

JOIN M.O.V.E.


Reject the claim that “nicotine is tobacco”. It is unacceptable. Nicotine is not addictive without tobacco and MAOI’s – period. So, it is not about nicotine.

Don’t use children.

Despite the Surgeon General’s “report”, smoking and vaping is DOWN.

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Don’t use regulations or taxation.

Don’t use the phrase “we need more research“.

Stop deterring smokers who need proper information.

STOP withholding information to consumers.

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Use your head. Otherwise, you’re promoting smoking. Period.



Added 01/16/17

A new report finds that people who use e-cigarettes to quit smoking are twice as likely to be successful. The analysis was carried out by the Health Information and Quality Authority as part of a study on the cost-effectiveness of aids to help people quit smoking. Every year the HSE pays out an estimated forty million euro in providing aid for smokers trying to quit. This includes offering support and paying for GP visits and treatments

That is here:


Added 01/22/17

From July 2016:

New study: 6.1 million Europeans have quit smoking with the use of electronic cigarettes


Added 01/26/17

From Christopher Russell, Ph.D.

Successful Vapers Survey 2015


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E-cigarette Research is HERE.

MORE e-cigarette research is also HERE.

E-cigarette NEWS you can use… Monday thru Friday

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Kevin

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A Billion Lives: Exposing the lies on e-cigarettes.

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The filmA Billion Lives is giving the world an astonishing perspective about the ferocious fight over e-cigarettes between governments, health professionals and organizations around the world… and why.

“A billion people projected to die…you’ll be surprised who’s keeping it that way.”

The world deserves answers.

While organizations and their representatives posture themselves by claiming the reduction or “elimination” of tobacco is a goal, the actions and motives speak volumes by deterring smokers from switching to a much less harmful alternative.

Their actions, and inaction has loudly and publicly objected to vaping products, while quietly trying to keep tobacco burning and revenue as their priority over public health.

“Nobody wants to talk about it…money has something to do with everything.”               ~David Goerlitz

Below is a staggering list of the “who’s who” of public health organizations and personalities who declined interviews for this film.

Big brother has lied again…They’re trying to force an entire industry out of business that is helping people to stop smoking.    ~ Herman Cain

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What are they trying to hide?

Instead of accepting the technology with vaping products as another tool to reach the well claimed goal of an “end-game” of what they describe as a tobacco epidemic, they, with derelict of duty, “public healthprefer to fight against e-cigarettes – instead of supporting what may be the answer to dramatically reducing or elimination of combustible tobacco.

EACH one above did NOTHING to stand up, to educate themselves, and instead created a media storm to denounce these products and supported regulations of (nicotine) vaping products as “tobacco” instead. I encourage you to call them and ask them WHY.

“Health organizations like those mentioned above are funded by sickness and disease. They surely won’t support a device that reduces disease. That’s an automatic pay cut.”                                                   ~Robert McNew

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Here is a list of people who are speaking out in A Billion Lives:

David Goerlitz “Former Winston Man”
Dr. Derek Yach Former Executive Director of the World Health Association (WHO)
Dr. Delon Human: Past Secretary-General & CEO World Health Organization (WHO)
Hon Lik: Inventor
Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos Onassis Cardiac Surgery Greece, ecigarette-research.org
Dr. Attila Danko GP-Ballarat, Australia
Jeff Stier Senior Fellow-National Center for Public Policy Research, Washington, D.C.
Dr. Gerry Stimson PhD Director of Knowledge-Action-Change
Clive Bates Former Director, Action on Smoking and Health (ASH)
David Sweanor Adjunct Professor of Law
Oliver Kershaw Director at E-cigarette Forum & Vaping.com
Bill Godshall Founder and Executive Director of Smokefree Pennsylvania
and more.

“I was so angry when this movie ended, I felt like I could chew glass.”      ~Ryan Jay


A Billion Lives is making a direct global impact on society as it tells the story about corruption, politics of tobacco control, anti-smoking groups, public health, tobacco companies, pharmaceuticals and governments worldwide over the money and control they’ve lost and want to regain.

The depiction in this film of the criminal intent to stop the disruption of cash flow to businesses, tax revenue and funding of “special interest groups” is sharp, honest and insightful.

Smoking…. it’s good business. So they lie.    ~Aaron Biebert

Directed by Aaron Biebert and released by Attention Era Media, the film has premiered on four continents and already earned five prestigious awards including:

  • 2016 Supreme Jury Prize (Best Picture) at Melbourne Documentary Film Festival
  • 2016 Best International Documentary at Jozi Film Festival (South Africa)
  • 2016 Best Director at Melbourne Documentary Film Festival
  • 2016 Remi Award
  • 2016 Best International Feature – Finalist at DocEdge (New Zealand)

“An extraordinary untold story.”    ~ Oliver Kershaw


Oscar bound?

A well deserved placement on a list of films, it was announced that “A Billion Lives” is on a list of 139 films being considered for nomination as “best documentary” for the Oscars by TheWrap.com.


Producers: Jimi Jake Shaw, Jennifer Biebert, Jesse Hieb, Shem Biebert,

Associate Producers: Colin Wilcox & Caleb M. Pearson


“The makers of this film did their due diligence, the narrative of this movie is immaculate.”     ~Kevin Crowley

In 2015, A Billion Lives was censored for being a “tobacco product” by Facebook here
Again in 2016, Facebook censored this Forbes article from being boosted:

Herman Cain was at the U.S. premier in Milwaukee and spoke with Director Aaron Biebert here.


A Billion Lives is an independent film.

If you’d like to see it in your area, go here.

WHY you should go see it HERE.

If you think it should be free, go here.


E-cigarette Research is HERE.

MORE e-cigarette research is also HERE.

If you are a Professional  go HERE.


A BILLION LIVES

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E-cigarette news you can use

Every day ~ Monday thru Friday ~ is here from my friends across the pond at Vapers.org.uk.


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You can find me here being a bit more evil on Twitter


More to come.

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

Reducing smoking, a challenging campaign for Tobacco Free Kids

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The Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids (CFTK) has shown a rare glimpse into the desperate reach it wants to have with one of the finest examples of illiteracy in tobacco harm reduction. 

CTFK and the European Network for Smoking and Tobacco Prevention (ENSP) have joined together asserting themselves with this letter to Dr Christopher Russell presumably not meant for public consumption.

There was no concern for harm reduction in any form in the letter and was not an attainable goal or option. No mention of “how do we come and learn as well” or “sounds like there may be some valuable information extracted from this conference.” With typical Matt Myers “tobacco control” style, only intimidation, control, and manipulation were a concern.

Disapproval is of the highest order from these organizations to Dr. Russell for planning to attend the Global Tobacco & Nicotine Forum (GTNF).


 

Concern for Dr. Russell and his impeccable professional credibility seemed to be the focus in their letter. In my mind, they’ve been the recipient of this paragraph at some point.

It needs to be read back to THEM in court:

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I didn’t know who “ENSP” even was until a day or so ago. I do, however, know who the Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids “is”.

 

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I won’t bore you with all the details of my “meta-analysis” of this corrupt and unacceptable letter, I’ll leave that to these four five six & seven:

 


 

Clive Bates

To listen to someone, you don’t need to uncritically accept everything they say, but I have definitely gained insight from listening to them. I am also open to and welcome challenge and I’m prepared to have my owned received wisdom shaken up. I will accept good arguments if I hear them, whoever makes them.

The wilful ignorance of tobacco control McCarthyites

 


 

Vaping 360; Jim McDonald:

Of course, it’s okay for CTFK’s Matt Myers to talk with Big Tobacco companies. He secretly negotiated the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act with attorneys from Philip Morris (now Altria). For all his tobacco-free huffing and puffing, Myers’ backroom negotiations managed to result in a law that guaranteed the tobacco industry’s long-term health and profitability. One senator called Matt Myers’ handiwork the “Marlboro Protection Act.”

Scientist’s career threatened by anti-tobacco organization


 

Carl V. Phillips

If you want to get mad about something, definitely do so. But make sure it is the right thing: the 99% of available research funds that have a political litmus test attached; the use of those and other funds to blackmail institutions into censoring other researchers

CTFK threatens researchers but who cares


 

Dr. Sally Satel:

Shameless Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids Tries to Censor Researchers

 


 

By Dr Farsalinos:

Public health has been divided into two opposing groups (pro and against harm reduction) which never meet or participate in the same conference to exchange ideas and present their arguments collectively in an honest, open and public debate. Is this what public health and smokers deserve? Is this going to solve the problem of smoking? Is this scientific progress?

Public health urgently needs a “new deal”


Added 9/27/16

AND now from Neil McKeganey Ph.D. Christopher Russell Ph.D. themselves:

Why Academics Should Resist Pressure to Disengage with the Tobacco Industry


Thank you to Dr. Christopher Russell for the work you DO, and for allowing the world to see ineptitude from what is supposed to be authority by both ENSP and CTFK.

Here are results of just one of Dr. Russell’s surveys. NOTE it says Tobacco Harm Reduction.

Tobacco Harm Reduction, Vaping & E-Cigarettes


“In other news”

I wrote a letter to the Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids.

Someone had to, I chose me.

For immediate release: Dear Matt Myers, President of Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids

 


 

Because this was directly a tobacco industry study, we shall wait for the “experts” to stake their claim:

BAT claims Ecig emissions 92-99% safer than cigarettes

 


Speaking of manipulation:

How the FDA Manipulates the Media

AND

A top journalist is suing the FDA over its alleged use of a banned and secretive practice to manipulate the news


 

E-cigarette Research is HERE.

MORE e-cigarette research is also HERE.

If you are a Professional  go HERE.

 


 

Graphic credit & thank you to The Vaper!


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Kevin

Alice in TobaccoLand.

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According to Wikipedia, Tobacco control “is a field of international public health science, policy and practice dedicated to addressing tobacco use and thereby reducing the morbidity and mortality it causes”.

Let me break that down.

Public health science.  It also says practice.

Dedicated to addressing tobacco use via public health science, policy and practice.

Thereby reducing morbidity and mortality it causes.

It says mortality, not morality.

If the morality on vaping products doesn’t cease, the mortalities will continue.


Down the rabbit hole.

There are hundreds of organizations dedicated to addressing tobacco use. Those organizations are normally funded, among other things, by tobacco use. The Master Settlement Agreement, taxes, government grants and funding by pharmaceuticals trying convincing researchers to see “their side” so the FDA will trust & approve it are all part of the bigger picture. Don’t want any of them chasing us down the rabbit hole now, do we?

Let us have some tea, shall we?

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Tobacco control for the cessation world, involves “approved methods”, counseling, quit lines & other mythical suggestions in tobacco-land such as the always encouraging “quit or die”, you’re not trying hard enough… as smokers travel down the stop smoking hole…

Along come vaping products. Contested? Hot topic? Absolutely. Proof? Yep. Doubts? As far as your fingers can tweet or read in the media in the U.S.A..

It seems simple, really. Less tobacco use by smokers with an alternative in ANY way possible by anyone in the public health field, or by organizations like the Heart, Lung or Cancer associations…would be immediately and swiftly encouraged……well – that, my readers seems to be a fairy tale.

On to “Alice”.


To be balanced there has been some tweeting of vaping products as an alternative. I can’t possibly search for them all, but DID get a “maybe” here in 2015.


Here, in 2014, there was “waiting on evidence”.


Smokers falling a long way seem to always land in a hall with many locked doors….and a table appears… with concoctions and promises of cures to the smoker trying to stop with “try me” and “use as directed” and “FDA approved”. What do they feel, those trying so hard?

Shame.

Without success, a smoker is shamed regardless of the method chosen. (That is Tobacco Control training 101, is it not?)  Shamed, by everyone and their brother – who have been taught that forEVER.

Frustration.

Despite the EFFORT to cease tobacco use, the tobacco plant has nicotine. The cigarette has -how many other- chemicals that also MAKE tobacco addictive by design. Nicotine itself is not addictive, but the world doesn’t know – because they’ve been taught that as well… so they offer nicotine “replacement” therapies. (Love that word “therapy”).

Disillusion.

After multiple attempts for various reasons – be it poor health, children, mortality sinking in, whatever the personal decision was to try -the quit attempt fails or is aborted and the tobacco control machine turns to spin cycle. Round & round the smoker goes, falling down the rabbit hole.


We don’t know enough -about- long term effects. We know enough despite our own government’s challenge of regulations – we’ve stopped smoking -many accidentally- in a way NO other product or advice has come close to succeeding with on our journey down the hole. We communicate with each other via twitter, facebook and more. Learning daily. Empowered, making an impact.

As for long term effects? Well – we’re not smoking – if it were EXACTLY the same risk – I certainly wouldn’t have a blog.


Know enough, Alice. Make a commitment. Part of the perils of knowing enough is learning as much as you can, without bias and being able to relay that knowledge to others seeking information.

Speaking fluently with truth and conviction, will come naturally.


Long term:

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What is your definition of a long term study?

Supportive & hopeful methods are applied here.

BUT


The Pool of Tears

“Alice swims through her own tears and meets a mouse, who is swimming as well. She tries to make small talk with him in elementary French –  but her opening gambit “Où est ma chatte?” (“Where is my cat?”) offends the mouse and he tries to escape her.”

That’s the thing about Alice. Clarity. I’m still not sure how clear she is. I need some more tea!


RUTH


Pig and Pepper

“The Cheshire Cat appears in a tree, directing her to the March Hare’s house. He disappears, but his grin remains behind to float on its own in the air, prompting Alice to remark that she has often seen a cat without a grin but never a grin without a cat.”

 A Mad Tea-Party

“Alice becomes a guest at a “mad” tea party along with the March Hare, the Hatter, and a very tired Dormouse who falls asleep frequently, only to be violently woken up moments later by the March Hare and the Hatter. The characters give Alice many riddles and stories…”

   I cannot tell.


 Yes. That’s where a consumer could choose an alternative to tobacco.


Not sure about you, but the ‘real world’ is where we are using #e-cigarettes instead of tobacco.


 I’m as authentic as they come. Lorien is also. I troll her more than I troll you. 🙂

Ahhh…. nicotine. That’s another of my blogs.


  Potential? Huh. Safer but too early to be so blithely reassuring?


 See – told you Lorien is authentic. Genuine & approved.


 Which are you, proponent or opponent?


Alice, involved in a paper with C. Gartner:

Dueling letters: which one would you sign?


In 2014, DO INDEED was capitalized for emphasis. I appreciate that.


Advice from a Caterpillar

I appreciate the fact that “Alice” is willing to engage with most on twitter. As you know, most of her colleagues will block and never engage.

Simon Chapman and Stan GlANTZ are two examples of (legaleeze: may, might, could) conniving denying monkeys. (Haven’t blogged Capewell or McKee yet.)

Everyone tweets something they regret at one time or another. We’re all human  -except the jury isn’t in on @Entropy72 yet.

This is where I was actually shocked at you. I know from another – personal experience when a professional diagnosis became a lawsuit to a “commoner”. Thing is, we’re professionals just like you. All walks of life, including mental health.

 You took your well deserved lumps.

Then you did it again…….

I couldn’t tell if you were joking on this one any more than I can tell your true position on less harm with vaping products.

So off we go to the final chapter of Alice In TobaccoLand…


Alice’s Evidence

The Queen shouts her familiar “Off with her head!” but Alice is unafraid, calling them out as just a pack of cards, just as they start to swarm over her.

You engage with anecdotal vapers quaintly without making a statement. Teetering on a picket fence without committing. Rocking back and forth. A dangerous line of indecision. I strongly suggest focusing your eyes on the ball. Less tobacco use for the public. I imagine the implications of a “well respected by her peers” professional like yourself facing one of two possibilities.

  1. You’ll be ostracized by them by merely stating the emperor has no cloths. (Think of the thousands of twitter friends you’ll gain!)
  2.  You’ll empower them to take the stand with you, realizing the potential of millions of smokers very lives hang in the frustrating and disillusioned balance.

Either way, you can’t win, I suppose. Indignant irreverence for your own chosen profession, recognizing the “public” in public health and the public it intends to serve -at least at face value- is unacceptable.

You yourself are a Professor, a nurse, an environmental activist. The Editor of BMJ Tobacco Control Journal. You cannot convince me you’re set on sitting in the middle in a rocking chair on a fence. Being pragmatic  <–(funny that link mentions a unicorn) is “real-world application”.

I am the real world. This is not a guessing game, and lives are at stake. TAKE your eyes “OFF the ball” of tobacco for a moment. Vaping products are being regulated, restricted, taxed & banned as if – tobacco control’s livelihood – is at stake. Rather than being accepted as one way to become the end game, it is the ball they have become.

Speak to colleagues – some who are active tobacco control members around the world, all who have professional titles. They aren’t some rogue set of flunkies, they are your counterparts. Colleagues. Each are aiming for the same goal. Tobacco harm reduction. Here, at M.O.V.E..

Once you’ve done so, you can decide which this is. Real harm reduction, where you can join other members of M.O.V.E. and take a stand publicly against the fire and brimstone establishment  – who don’t like to be tested….

Or grab a match… pick your poison… and let the cards fall where they may.

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I invited you to the A Billion Lives premier, you respectfully declined.  (I was serious.)

I KNOW they’re going to be in California, I hope you go. Take Glantz with you.


Finally, If I’ve offended you in any way, shape or form, good.

Check Clive’s “Memo to public health grandees: vaping, vapers and you

for reference.

You shouldn’t be offended, though. Did you see what I wrote about Simple Simon Chimpmanzee?

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I hope you don’t block me and we’ll continue learning from each other.

It is about health, after all.


Speaking of health, this one’s fresh off the Dick Puddlecoat press:

Desperately Seeking Dictatorship.


Ruth Malone:

Via Tobacco Control BMJ

Via UCSF


Update 10/22/16:

Ruth has written this

“Yet, e-cigarettes and the burgeoning list of other non-combustible tobacco and nicotine products could represent potential leverage for accomplishing what once seemed unthinkable: phasing out combustible cigarettes, the single most deadly consumer product ever marketed.”

 

That is in full here:

The Race to a Tobacco Endgame

 


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FIGHT:

THESE are national consumer and industry organizations in the United States who keep US informed.


August8th.org

A BILLION LIVES

E-cigarette Research is HERE.

MORE e-cigarette research is also HERE.

If you are a Medical Professional  go HERE.

More to come.

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

E-cigarette Evidence. Guilty As Charged, The Scream Test.

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Like a crime scene, “experts” are trying to cover up scientific evidence about e-cigarettes. Cleverly disguised with their self-important pseudo-opinions, they publish their assessment long before it has been properly reviewed.

 

Like seasoned criminals, experts are studious at covering up or altering these scientific studies and research to their benefit, not yours. There will be no evidence reviewed unless they say it’s “ok”.

They weren’t invited, in any shape or form, to the scientific portion of the study, most likely because they aren’t qualified to perform it.

That makes them feel inadequate and they must redeem themselves. They feel left out.

Poor things. Bless their hearts.

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It’s quite like public health’s own scream test here, and here.


 

They also really do not like anecdotal evidence. They do not approve. I repeat: They do not approve.

Your anecdotal experience is NOT important to them.

They don’t believe in it, they dissociate themselves from it.

There are experts everywhere, just ask them. It’s popular to be one!

 

How WHO are you to decide for yourself that e-cigarettes are an alternative to smoking? What is WRONG with you? Are you thinking for yourself?

Experts say e-cigarettes are NOT approved methods to STOP SMOKING.

Did you TRY the not so effective approved methods? Did you give your best effort? Have you tried the patch? A quit-line? Counseling. Talking to someone may help. Keep those hands busy.

KEEP TRYING.

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Nothing like tobacco control style guilt to persuade you is there?


 

I consider vapers the experts. Some idiots in the tobacco control industry have decided they are experts. Politicians??? They’re experts? T.V. Doctors!

Well – you would think they were, but they aren’t either.

In their quest for knowledge, you would only believe they would consume themselves by looking without delay, at science and evidence.

You would only think with the best interest of the PUBLIC at hand, experts would consult (and collaborate) with these people as quickly as they could.

 

I’d almost say, without hesitation, experts would seek the advice of people before them, that they would heed the experience of Medical Professionals who had the same doubts and thoughts.


 

You’d also think they would LISTEN to US.

Nahhhh….

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To have respect as a medical, health, or “tobacco control” professional, you should act like one.

You cannot deny the evidence. You cannot ignore the evidence. You cannot make it fit in YOUR box. You cannot pretend it doesn’t exist.

 

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You must either accept it as it is, or as an EXPERT, show why it isn’t working  – proof. I am waiting for the proverbial shoe to drop.

Most experts just want to stomp their feet like children, hoping they get their way, hoping every colleague will agree with their opinion. Get over yourselves.

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 You’re at the bottom of the list.


While I’m at it – here’s a novel thought:

MAKE IT BETTER! Quit bitching and making things up. Instead of antagonizing, FIX IT. What? You don’t want to?


Nope. That’s not what they do. They see a report. Study. Science.

They rub their grubby hands together, and cluck like chickens.

They drop their carcinogen laced coffee as fast as it hits the floor, fling off their lab coats, and prefer to cherry pick. Please, no wagering.

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They have a hypothesis. Opinion. They find key points in one thing and write all about THAT. They then turn that into childish propaganda. They MUST tell the WORLD using any means necessary!

Obviously the goal of this is not to help the world, but to keep their self-serving importance up in their “field” – to boost their popularity -so they don’t become irrelevant !  All much more important than helping the public, or so it seems.



 

Maybe they are SO insecure, afraid of becoming irrelevant, they fling pooh, eat their bananas, and will do what they can to keep smoking around….. nahhh – can’t be.

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Maybe they’re tired of seeing e-cig users doing their job?

That must be it.

 

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They already ignore the science.

They are having a much harder time ignoring US.


 

One recent example of listening, changing his mind, and being responsible in this matter is explained very well here, from Jim McManus.


 

 

When WE as users of this product reduced our tobacco use, regardless of the reason why, and are doing it by the MILLIONS, we must be on to something. You would think, if they REALLY want people off tobacco, they’d listen to the experts. Us.

It’s not like we’re walking around – pretending. Struggling. If it didn’t work, you bet your ass we’d be saying that as well. It doesn’t work for some.

By default, and by design, I’d bet ecigs would be a SOLID 85%+ success rate if “experts” would either SHUT up or admit they work and help those struggling to that end. They don’t want that.

We’ve stopped smoking by choice.

Most will more than likely choose not to listen, I hope you will.



 

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Here are examples of UNEDITED “anecdotal” evidence from the latest survey.

Question #26: Did you notice any POSITIVE health or side effects once you were off tobacco using an e-cigarette?


 

Major health improvements. Chest, breathing, snoring, illness, blood pressure EVERYTHING has improved.
Saturday, Aug 15th 7:13AM


 

I used to have to use two inhailors for environmental asthma…I’m off one completely and rarely have need of the quick response inhailor…Which I used twice a day while smoking, I may have used a half dozen times in the last 4 years…
Thursday, Aug 13th 10:45AM


 

My breathing is considerably improved. I no longer have any asthma. Fewer incidents of apnea while sleeping. Heartrate remains a lot more steady when doing physical activity.
Tuesday, Aug 11th 4:37PM



I don’t cough in the morning anymore. My lungs don’t hurt in the morning. I can breathe easier. Post nasal drip of 15 yrs is gone. I can exercise easier and longer. More energetic.
Friday, Aug 7th 11:29AM


I have not had 1 bout of bronchitis since I have quit cig and started Vaping. 2 1/2 years. All my Drs seem to think its ok. Pulmonologist, heart and primary.
Monday, Aug 3rd 6:28PM


It hasn’t been long for me yet but I noticed the difference right away. The biggest thing for me though was learning I had a “smoking problem” not a “high blood pressure problem” as that went right straight to normal right away!
Sunday, Aug 2nd 8:00PM



Ankylosing spondylitis sufferer for 15+years. All pain has gone. I am back to gym and getting fitter by the day
Sunday, Aug 2nd 6:40PM


My chronic cough that I had for over 10 years went away and never came back within 3 days!!!
Sunday, Aug 2nd 10:08AM


Blood Pressure is back to normal, no coughing, better breathing, greater energy, I now run 2 miles a day.
Saturday, Aug 1st 8:16PM


Increased lung function. I have COPD and this is now stabilized with better blood oxygenation than when I still smoked. This improvement has been documented in clinical notes and
has been maintained for over 4 years.
Saturday, Aug 1st 6:35PM


I had chronic bronchitis for over 16 years and it is gone now. I was afraid to laugh as it would send me into fits of hacking coughing. I laugh a lot now. I run with my grandchildren instead of being afraid to play for the coughing.
Saturday, Aug 1st 5:59PM


was able to discontinue two prescription drugs, cholesterol levels dropped by 50 points, used to need antibiotics for respiratory/sinus infections at least 4 times a year, since vaping I’ve been sick once.
Saturday, Aug 1st 5:18PM


I couldn’t walk up the four flights of stairs at home without breaking a sweat before i quit cigarettes and after two months after changing to a vape-mod i ran up the stairs without breaking a sweat. Now after two years I just ran half a marathon in just over two hours!
Saturday, Aug 1st 4:02PM


Breathing improved, high cholesterol went away, started exercising, lost over 70#, thirsty so I drink water constantly, lost weight lowered blood pressure, better performance sexually, enjoy healthy foods, use less salt, list is endless.
Saturday, Aug 1st 4:34PM


 

Here’s a hundred more similar to the above testimonials – from the first survey: Who’s hiding the truth?

More anecdotal evidence from the first survey: I can breathe again.

Despite the experts, vapers are claiming  Side Effects !

Are you a Journalist? Please, Go here.

 


 

Are you wondering why there is so much

controversy over e-cigarettes?

Watch this:

Some controversy in itself, created some controversy of its own from this clip.

Simon Clark:  A Billion Comments

Dick Puddlecoat: A Billion Lives – My Take

Facts Do Matter: A Billion Lives Guest Post

My own comments:

I thought the comment the director made in question in a 7-8 second glimpse was actually a part of the bigger picture, pointing out the irony of lies. (*Just what you said, Paul, context). I thought it was taken out of a larger scene… no more no less. I didn’t give it a second thought until…. then somewhere I tweeted them to put pooh smells in the theaters when they’re lying scenes – and roses when they’re not… just as a joke.

The 3+ minute glimpse into this film is absolutely astounding. I agree with Mark below, there WILL be resistance on this film. There will also be opportunity. Pointing out the statement was far from my mind until someone pointed it out. In my eyes, the very thought of ripping this film up for one statement?

Maybe I should have a “shirt burning” once it comes in to gain attention? I think NOT.

I hope it was politely asked if it can be fixed/edited – or did we all just start yelling? I’ll use the word of my U.K. twitter & facebook friends… utter bullocks. I continue to stand with this film and this team. I will wear my shirt with pride. I am also one of #ABillionLives.

This project as a whole is something to look very forward to. I appreciate someone having the balls to do this. It will open some eyes.

Shannon, you said it best. We owe them everything.


 



 

“Popcorn” lung came up again in the news.

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt content!

The WONDERFUL folks over at Vapers.Org.UK

released a Special Edition on 12/12/15:

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt content!

A Bucket Of Popcorn.



 

Recent posts:

Stop Smoking. The Monkey On Your Back.

E-Cigarettes, Long Term Risks & Health Implications

Nicotine Addiction. Smoking, E-cigarettes & YOU.

 


 

E-cigarette Research is HERE.

MORE e-cigarette research is also HERE.


 Medical Professionals  go HERE.


Always a work in progress-

please visit my website here.

You can sponsor the blog & website here if you like.

Keep On #Vaping On.

More to come!

 Kevin.

Toxic Media. E-Cigarettes And Journalism.

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Journalists. They spit out low quality fairy tales as fast as an e-cigarette study hits their untrained eye. Such articles give one an eye-opening glimpse into the many “amateur hour” hacks pretending to be “writers” there really are.

What a BUNCH of kumquats. I would be embarrassed to attach my name on  such a lack of “efforts” in “journalism” I’ve seen. I can only refer to the skill in which these articles were written as piss-poor. Most of these reek of the kind of stench you find in a port-a-john in a late summer fair full of experts.

With all the articles I see on e-cigarettes in a given week from the “press” and “reliable sources”, MOST are written as if they were made up by the half-assed skill of an 11 year old child. Still, after all this time e-cigarettes have been on the market, most journalists show very little fact checking skills and write about them with little to no knowledge of e-cigarettes.

The problem is, those who don’t know better…

may believe them.

These are irresponsible and unacceptable misinformation machines.

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Media today can barely put a comprehensive report out on e-cigarettes without sensationalism. They boldly publish and promote false statements and outright lies without apologies, without evidence, without integrity. There is evidently no pride lost in slinging their feces…

They squealed about “formaldehyde”, which was false, but very few put forth any effort to type about Public Health England?

 


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I am an amateur blogger. I’m not a professional writer, yet I put most of you to shame (both sides of this blog and previous posts for PLENTY of content) with proper information for a smoker contemplating e-cigarettes and what they need to know.

Sadly, I write better than most of you, and I’m not a writer by profession. Most of you proudly show lack of intelligence with each new “story”. See – that’s the thing, most of you are just telling stories. You’re specializing in e-cigarettes. E-cigarette fiction writers. Almost ass-hat like.

Am I being condescending? Yes, yes I am. Patronizing? Fine, if that’s how you feel. Some of you refer to e-cigarettes as smoking, so….we’re not on the same page. Work on that.


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Some reporters are obviously too stupid or unable to put two sentences together coherently, they string a reader along by almost always starting off by describing an e-cigarette. Most of it is “expert copy & paste skills” from what I see. Regurgitating the same thing over and over and over again…. each article seems to have a theme.


 

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Requirements, evidently, for being a piss-poor journalist:

Mention gateways and children, but rarely mention “the children“.

Mention flavors, but rarely mention that “adults like flavors”.

Mention nicotine is addictive but never mention “nicotine“.

Mention approved methods, but don’t show “those methods aren’t as successful“.

Mention chemicals, but rarely mention “Chemicals“.

Mention health benefits, but never mention “health benefits

Mention we don’t know enough, but never mention that “Research is available here and here.”.

Mention laws, taxes & bans using the above descriptions but NEVER mention the truth on “Regulations, Restrictions, Taxes, Bans“.

Mention experts are on the fence about e-cigarettes, but have never talked to people on or  along “experts on this side of that fence“.

They almost NEVER mention reaching out to talk to ANY organization.


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Research, in journalism  – or at least this type of journalism isn’t acceptable to the public.

They rarely retract a story, when they do it’s barely mentioned in unrelated news or withOUT fanfare like the original story was bled to death.

Almost incessantly they will either allow comments until they don’t like them, will not allow certain comments, will delete them all or not allow them to begin with.


 

They LOVE exploding batteries. Here’s Christopher Russell on that:

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Update on a 2nd one from Christoper Russell:

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These wannabe’s take objectivity out, add in a five-gallon bucket of drivel, DON’T check facts, add in their own stupidity and use scary words like toxins – and makes a half-assed story go full ass.


 

One of the consequences of *#DailyPropaganda:

(*Thank you, Alan)

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According to Wikipedia-(a source evidently not concerned with standards in facts):

Journalism has developed a variety of ethics and standards. While objectivity and a lack of bias are of primary concern and importance, more liberal types of journalism, such as advocacy journalism and activism, intentionally adopt a non-objective viewpoint. This has become more prevalent with the advent of social media and blogs, as well as other platforms that are used to manipulate or sway social and political opinions and policies. These platforms often project extreme bias, as “sources” are not always held accountable or considered necessary in order to produce a written, televised or otherwise “published” end product.

 

Fergus Mason has his view of

Wikipedia, and why it matters.

 


 

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Please, keep in mind  -whether you are the largest major news corporation, or the smallest, I AM talking to YOU.

Do as you wish, “journalists”. Follow the pack, parasites. Keep going with  your “hard-hitting” fluff that your friends admire. You must be proud of that degree in typing.


“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

~Joseph Goebbels

There’s something controversial coming soon. It’s going to sting. This information you’re going to see in this trailer isn’t a secret. It may show that you are truly inept at research, that you are unwilling or unable to use your alleged education in journalism, or you’re just plain stupid. This could have been your story.

You, and all who have “Plausible Deniability” or who are “experts in tobacco control” might want to be attentive to this video from A Billion Lives.

It is a documentary about lies. Media, Government, Pharmaceuticals, Health and more. You know… all of you who should be paying attention instead of lying your full asses off…. or you may get dishonorable mention in this.

 


 

Here are just some of the unedited comments  “Real People ~ Real Answers” from the latest survey, unedited on question #34:

What is your opinion on reports you’ve seen in the media ?


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Tired of seeing ‘know nothing asshats’ pretending to be experts on vaping.
Tuesday, Oct 6th 5:24AM


 

A lot of media coverage on this is made by people who have not done their research.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 8:18AM


 

It’s a mix in the UK these days
Wednesday, Sep 9th 12:29AM


 

Media used to relay the facts, today they only care about what sells. They have clearly taken a side before any interviews have started, some have affiliations with other companies or political views and stick to that no matter what truth is presented to them.

The honest truth should be shown on ALL media outlets, they should not be allowed to have a bias in any direction, the facts are what are important.
Sunday, Aug 16th 3:11AM


 

I tend to look for articles on ecigs and see many that talk about benefits and share them with others, but my sources are usually ecig positive, and I ignore the negative media reports from outside my sphere.
Saturday, Aug 8th 3:07PM


 

It seems hard to find legit studies and information that prove or disprove anything. More independent studies from sources that are not affiliated with smoking or vaping would be nice to see.
Sunday, Aug 2nd 8:00PM


 

The reports filled with blatant lies against vapor products were making me angry, so I stopped reading/watching them.
Those that are lying should be held responsible.
Saturday, Aug 1st 7:59PM


 

i find the media headlines negative aspects of vaping and e cigarettes way over the top. E cigarette and battery fires, exploding batteries etc are usually due to lack of knowledge and misuse.  Any battery powered device can a do explode, set on fire etc, but the media don’t report these instances the same way they do with e cigarettes.
Friday, Jul 31st 6:56PM


 

The amount of biased/ill informed propaganda circulating both in media and on social network is, in my opinion, disgraceful!
Thursday, Jul 30th 2:03PM


 

To the last point “I’ve seen more experts than can possibly exist” it’s more like “experts”. People who let others think they know what they are talking about
Wednesday, Jul 29th 9:50AM


 

I have seen news which are made up to make e cig sounds bad, but truly it has nothing to do with e cig.
Tuesday, Jul 28th 3:02PM


 

The media know fuck all and need to a few lessons in vaping!
Monday, Jul 27th 12:59PM


 

i have seen and heard way too many lies by people who are “experts” saying that its bad and targeting kids. i want them to support vaping rather than trying to get rid of the only actual effective way to quit smoking
Sunday, Jul 26th 4:30PM


 

most of the reports are outrageous and test the vaping device at levels that no person would actually use it at, because at those levels you no longer have the actual taste of the e liquid you have nothing but a burnt taste
Sunday, Jul 26th 1:11AM


 The never ending saga of a biased media and their sheeple.
Saturday, Jul 25th 11:55AM


 

its unballanced and there is too much scaremungering going on from very ignorant people
Wednesday, Jul 22nd 8:47AM


 

Big tobacco money talks
Tuesday, Jul 21st 11:52AM


 

It is very confusing trying to figure out what is information from real studies or reliable sources as opposed to what is made up on a non fact based opinion. That goes for both positive and negative information. I have stopped reading anything because I don’t know what to trust is from an accurate source
Sunday, Jul 19th 10:45AM


 

It seems only the sensationalist, biased reports get the big headlines!
Sunday, Jul 19th 11:12AM


 

The media is attracted to negative stories.

From memory, there are 10 million smokers in the UK and 2.6M vapers. Of the vapers about 1M don’t dual use. I’m sure there’s plenty that don’t do either now. There needs to be a Panorama-type program to tell the good news truth about vaping and the money and power behind FDA and EU bans.
Wednesday, Jul 15th 6:33PM


The propaganda is profoundly intellectually dishonest & scientifically incorrect.
Wednesday, Jul 15th 9:37AM


 

Most of what is out there is propoganda and when there is the side of vaping shown (pro vaping) it is far too often denounced. There are reports that show vaping honesty but they are few and far between because the govt does not want vaping to be seen as a good thing
Monday, Jul 13th 4:45PM


 

Junk science that is published them later pulled is stupid and irresponsable once it’s out there people believe it’s gotta be true when it isn’t
Monday, Jul 13th 2:11PM


 

There a a few unbiased reports out there, but most are fear-mongering.
Monday, Jul 13th 1:27PM


 

In the UK, I’ve seen both positive and negative coverage. But in the US it’s much worse, probably because of those vested interests. I do object to pharma companies putting signs in GPs offices saying ‘Don’t vape, stop smoking for good’ as it’s likely to put people off vaping. Vaping can save lives so why tell people not to do it? Insane.
Monday, Jul 13th 11:54AM


 

Heard some ridiculous stories. Battery safety is down to users, same as of you use a mobile phone, I have yet to meet anyone who has had anything more than a slight reaction to the pg. They simply used a Lewis worth more vg.

Monday, Jul 13th 3:30AM


 

Much of the media coverage (print and broadcast) reminds me of reports from the 80s and 90s suggesting that violent video games, television and rock music were responsible for teenagers committing serious crimes. Responsibility is being thrust on industry, rather than on parents, which is borderline atrocious

Sunday, Jul 12th 5:12PM


 

Very seldom do I see fair balanced reporting on the subject and when I see articles they are usually biased and slanted against Vaping and are chock full of misinformation and propaganda. The only fair and balanced information I have seen have been from the vaping industry itself.

Sunday, Jul 12th 2:33PM


 

This is true of a lot of the reports on the news, but I have seen lots of good studies done by professionals based on REAL SCIENCE and accurate reporting standards. I would never say vaping is 100% safe, but some of the reports on the news are just irresponsible and dissuade people from switching from stinkies, when they aren’t even true.

Sunday, Jul 12th 2:15PM


 

The real issue is the indoctrination the media has both received and repeated for the last 50 years from anti-smoking lobbies. It is because of this that all consumer nicotine products are demonized, regardless of potential benefit.

Saturday, Jul 11th 6:43PM


 

There have been both sides of reports on vaping, depends on who is making the statement in the perticular article, I’m sure there will be debates for quite some time, I could care less, I smoked about 40 years , now I vape, I think it was a smart choice for me, I’m not concerned about health issues cause it can’t be worse than smoking, either way I’m apparently not going to live for ever , I’m pretty smart, smart enough to try vaping and get off cigarettes.

Saturday, Jul 11th 2:57AM


 

The impact of what is reported is much more detrimental to those who don’t know any better or TRUST the media.

 

That’s why I’m here.

If I had relied on media reports for information I would have been too concerned with the long term safety of e-cigarette use to try them and I would still be smoking today.

From New York, this individual’s complete response to this survey is here.



“Popcorn” lung came up again in the news.

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt

The WONDERFUL folks over at Vapers.Org.UK

released a Special Edition on 12/12/15:

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt content!

A Bucket Of Popcorn.



The FDA has deeming regulations in progress at the moment.

Go here and do something about that.

Then go here as well.



E-cigarette Research is HERE.

MORE e-cigarette research is also HERE.


 Medical Professionals at MOVE are HERE.


Always a work in progress-

please visit my website here.

More to come!

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin.


Regulate. Restrict. Tax. Ban. Taxing E-Cigarettes Like Tobacco.


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The all powerful, all knowing Offices of Management And Budget have the distinct decision of deeming regulations over e-cigarettes.

“Budget”.  Well. What does THAT have to do with e-cigarettes and the country? What does that have to do with the FDA (I thought they were the “authority”) and deeming regulations?

It’s about health, right? It’s about children, right?


If you DON’T know what I’m babbling about, you need to brush up on your information overload by going HERE to CASAA, and HERE immediately afterwards. You don’t even have to read this blog.


Regulate:

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1. to control or direct by a rule, principle, method, etc

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regulations

Restrict:

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1. to confine or keep within limits, as of space, action, choice, intensity, or quantity.

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 restrict

Tax:

tax3
1. a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.
2. a burdensome charge, obligation, duty, or demand.

verb (used with object)

3. to demand a tax from (a person, business, etc.).

  1. to demand a tax in consideration of the possession or occurrence of (income, goods, sales, etc.), usually in proportion to the value of money involved.

4. to lay a burden on; make serious demands on: to tax one’s resources.

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UntitledWAIT!  NEVER MIND! We disassociated ourselves from that bill!

TAXES were taken out of it!

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Now it does no good?

I thought it was about YOUTH!

Public HEALTH!

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Guess NOT!

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Ban:

ban

1. to prohibit, forbid, or bar; interdict:

2. the act of prohibiting by law; interdiction.


They can’t BAN them. Well…. lean closer to your screen. Countries already have.

Regulations, restrictions, taxes & bans are world WIDE. Here, and HERE.


According to the World Health Associations Margaret Chan, at W.H.O. – this organization does NOT like ecigs, but likes regulations of them ….

W.H.O., HOWEVER DOES like money. It’s a win-win solution!

WHOTAX


 

This, was added 12/12/15 by me from the much admired Brainy Furball.
This isn’t just the United States. This is worldwide.
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Speaking of MARGARET Chan

More from Robert Innes:

When Collusion Is Profitable For Parties – All Six of Them!


I certainly do not believe they will “ban” them in the United States. They have had since 2009 to stew on this. They’ve had PLENTY of time to “deem” them tobacco.

THEN, they have the wording so they can TAX them like tobacco. I’ll get back to that in a minute.

See Steve and his timeline of e-cigarettes in the United States


See, at first, they were probably thought of as a novel idea. E-cigarettes weren’t a threat.

As they evolved into 2nd & 3rd generation styles, they were making a huge dent in cash flow.

Disrupting many aspects of cash flow.


Noticeable in 2000, Pharmaceutical companies feel it –  see smoking cessation aids sales drop.

Pharmaceutical Companies are really feeling it in 2014 in this article:

Nicotine patch, gum sales drop with rise of electronic cigarettes

As E-cigarette sales rose E-cigarette Sales Rising 


Tobacco Companies were going down in 2011… and still are as of September of last year, according to Business Insider:

Watch The US Slowly But Surely Become A Nation Of Nonsmokers


Well.

This is exciting, Kevin. There must be more! IS there more?

I’m glad you asked that !

I’m not sure who said “e-cigs are disruptive”, but – here, take a break – read Chris Price’s view on e-cigarettes as a disruptive technology.


11/18 update:

Stanton Glantz… and his submission to the world of the FDA is here.


 

Guess who else is pissed about disrupting their cash flow?

Organizations. Lots of them. They depend on lots and lots of funding to sustain themselves. Grants. Automatic payments. Money.

E-cigarettes are taking that away. They don’t like that.

How convenient.


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Finally, the United States Government – and other tax collecting entities. Ever notice when you bought a pack of smokes how the sign may say “cigarettes sold at state minimum”?  No? Me either.



This does not help the Government – to lose all this money. Pharmaceutical companies are calling their “friendly” senators.

frankpallone

leno


Evidently, the group ASCAN

American Cancer Society Action Network –

already knows Congress actually works for them – not “the people”.

ugh



Upstanding *cough, cough*  “Tobacco Control” *cough –  experts are also involved.

They want what’s best for us.

glantzfunding


And the Government, all by itself, is caving in.

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The Government is missing their money.

They want it taxed like tobacco.

regulaterestricttaxbanmath

They NEED e-cigarettes regulated

as TOBACCO. So they can TAX it.

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It is NOT tobacco.


But that is what they want it to be.

It won’t include their FRIENDS

“APPROVED” nicotine products that we’ve tried

and for the most part, DON’T WORK.


Those products are derived from magical unicorn farts, not tobacco.

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If you’ve read this far – remember

The FDA has deeming regulations in progress at the moment.


I need you to be ANGRY.


Support the organizations on this blog. Talk to people. CALL your congress/senators.

Write, email. hold up signs.

Call your media friends if you have any. Get the support of your doctors, schools, YELL.

Educate anyone you CAN.

TELL them this is about children having family members NO LONGER using tobacco.


TELL THEM this IS about HEALTH.


TELL them e-cigarettes take us AWAY from smoking.


TELL THEM it is NOT about NICOTINE.


We need a SWIFT and abrupt UPROAR worldwide.



Get mad. They’re taxing you because they miss their money.

It’s not even DEEMED tobacco, and it’s already happening in the United States.


You need to be ANGRY.


Go here and do something about that.

Then go here as well.


Stop ACCEPTING what is not true or real.

Nicotine is NOT TOBACCO. They want it deemed tobacco

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for loss of revenue they thought would LAST FOREVER. 

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E-Cigarettes are NOT acceptable to be part of their PONZI SCHEME.

WE stopped smoking. They WANT us to stop smoking. Now they don’t like that.

Less smoking, less revenue. It’s a PONZI scheme.


A documentary is coming, and not soon enough – (no rush, guys & gals) 🙂

about all of this:

A Billion Lives


Recommended reading:

How Wall Street Tobacco Deals Left States With Billions in Toxic Debt

Vaping Claimed First Victim One Year Ago

Tax Hikers Focused On 2016 Election

New CDC Data – More than 9 MILLION Adults Vape Regularly In The United States

Vaping For Tax Freedom

Burdensome vaping regulation about revenue, not health

DC budget would extend 70 percent tobacco tax to vapor products, e-cigarettes

Increased Tobacco Taxes Are Not the Answer

Mine:

Taxing Thoughts, A Ponzi Scheme.

Please Keep Smoking! Plausible Deniability, An Incestuous Relationship.

Without Integrity: Tobacco Harm Reduction In The U.S.A.

Lying Bastards


Some on the survey mentioned black market. Some proclaimed they’d do it themselves.
The only concern I’d have with that is – what about the current smokers who don’t know how or are afraid?
What will they do if e-cigarettes as we know them today with all generations – are considered illegal?
What about THIS lady?

Here are comments

 “Real People ~ Real Answers”

from the latest survey, unedited on question #41:

If e-cigarettes are taxed / regulated as tobacco I believe:

 “Real People ~ Real Answers”


I make my own juice and would continue. I have a 20 year supply of nicotine in my freezer.
Friday, Oct 9th 10:52AM

One point, there would be less motivation, not no motivation. Because e-cigs have more to offer.
Thursday, Oct 8th 5:13PM

With no incentive to switch over why would they?
Thursday, Oct 8th 11:23AM

it would be a heinous grievance against an entire community to make this change at this point in the game
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 2:03PM

That would be the worst thing you could do; limit the availability by keeping it out of a person’s financial reach.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 1:23PM

There would be a huge black market. I do not foresee myself paying taxes on my ejuice. lol.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 11:29AM

Other quit smoking products are not taxed, at least not in Sweden or Estonia, to tax e-cigarette liquids would be insane.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 8:18AM

If they ban or regulate them to be as expencive as gums and pathes, the are making a huge mistake, a crime to public health.
Monday, Sep 14th 2:54AM

The cost savings was the biggest stimulation to try e-cigs.
Wednesday, Aug 19th 12:51AM

Apart from the obvious fact there is no legal reason to tax as tobacco, it would reduce the likely hood of some people trying them. As prices would be ridiculous it would also kill most of the industry that is already in place.
Sunday, Aug 16th 3:11AM

Ecigs will just become less appealing to new users, people established will find a way around anything, there will be a new black market to exploit.
Saturday, Aug 8th 7:53AM

Understand the patches, gum and inhalers are over the counter now and greatly reduced in price. The FDA a few yrs ago announced that there was no harm in nicotine useage from these products. Other than monetary gain for pharma companies, I can’t figure out why the fed and state gov’s would ban/restrict the use of vaping…..Except that individuals might be influenced with “donations”.
Thursday, Aug 6th 2:59AM

I would not have a problem, worst comes to the worst ill not use nicotine, and just mix my own as i do now!
Monday, Aug 3rd 4:25AM

It would be like the main goal of tobacco companies and the government would be money not my or anyone else’s health. This includes non-smokers because as a smoker they will inhale bad stuff, even if it’s 3rd hand smoke — which as a smoker they can get from my hair, clothes, home, car, etc. even if they are never ever around me while I actually smoke.
Sunday, Aug 2nd 8:00PM

I make my own juice so that better not get more expencive!
Sunday, Aug 2nd 7:18PM


There would definitely be less motivation for smokers to try them. Money and health were the two reasons I tried them. It would be completely irresponsible to tax them at the same rate.
Saturday, Aug 1st 7:59PM

It might slow down the Vaping movement, but it would continue to grow. A Giant Black Market would arise.
Saturday, Aug 1st 8:16PM

I have the right to make choices about my health. I choose to vape and to be tobacco- and smoke-free.
Saturday, Aug 1st 6:35PM

I think e-cigs should be taxed like any other product, but NOT like tobacco. Tobacco is taxed heavily because of the healthcare costs smoking produces. Vaping is not that dangerous, so it shouldn’t be taxed like tobacco.
Saturday, Aug 1st 6:25PM

I can still afford it and would still vape, but it might easily deter others.
Saturday, Aug 1st 4:02PM

Criminal, but probably inevitable
Saturday, Aug 1st 4:34PM

Not sure how the could justify taxing e cigarettes or e liquids. Other than vat
If e liquids where heavily taxed then more people would start diy mixing which in my opinion could be more dangerous if not knowledgable.
Friday, Jul 31st 6:56PM

A lot of time, saving money is a big factor for quitting cig.
Tuesday, Jul 28th 3:02PM

If they tax it, it wont affect me because i mix my own… Mother fukka’s are so gready!
Monday, Jul 27th 12:59PM

if the taxes become outrageous then no new person is gonna bother trying and if the choices are limited then vaping will be no more successful than the patch or gum 😦
Sunday, Jul 26th 4:30PM

I am against any tax on e-cigarettes, it already costs to much for most people especially the ones that have moved from regular to e-cigs because they could no longer afford regular cigs.
Sunday, Jul 26th 1:11AM

As a machinist, I can make my own mech mods and attys. I build my own attys, I don’t use regulated power supplies, and I make my own juice. They can’t hurt me… but they can certainly have a negative effect on others, both new and experienced.
Saturday, Jul 25th 10:50PM

they are in no way, shape, or form – tobacco, stop trying to tax them as such!
Saturday, Jul 25th 7:37PM

It will be a sad sad day when this happens. The biggest fear I have is government taking away what has clearly saved my life.
Saturday, Jul 25th 10:15AM

the goverments want controll for the money it rakes in they just want their greedy little mitts on it. i think alot of people would go back to smoking, thats not good
Wednesday, Jul 22nd 8:47AM

Politicians refuse to let a source of revenue lie dormant, peoples health is secondary
Tuesday, Jul 21st 11:52AM

I’ll make my own coils, my own juice – not going to tax me to hell and back.
Sunday, Jul 19th 9:50AM

I dont think taxes would stop people from vaping. I would not stop. But it will just weaken vaping and make it a bit less attractive, especially for new vapers.
Sunday, Jul 19th 1:49AM

black market, nuff said.
big tobacco and their croneys can GFTS!!
Saturday, Jul 18th 4:31PM

I see no need to tax ecigarettes. We pay sales tax on this stuff, isn’t that enough for the state? It’s not my fault if the states depend on funds from a source that kills it’s consumers and needs to find money elsewhere now that they are earning less revenue do to people making a healthy switch. We should be rewarded for switching to vape since it’s a healthier alternative, not punished.
Saturday, Jul 18th 2:46PM

If the flavors are restricted or taken away, I wouldn’t be able to keep vaping. I’ve tried different tobacco flavors…even the tobacco flavor made by Marlboro…they all taste bad, even the menthol.
Friday, Jul 17th 6:24PM

It would also create a huge black market of which i would be going to.
Friday, Jul 17th 6:19PM

Motivation is multifactorial. I was actually motivated to buy my first ecig to replace the nicotine while I had a rabid ex-smoker in the house working for me. Once I tried it I felt I could use it to give up smoking for health. Money was never a motivation for me. “Is it cheaper” is usually the first question people ask me so it’s obviously a factor for most people.
Wednesday, Jul 15th 6:33PM

I hope it will be recognized as the help people need to quit smoking and NOT taxed.
Tuesday, Jul 14th 12:23PM

A black market could develop
Tuesday, Jul 14th 5:28AM

Of course, it wouldn’t result in people not trying e-cigarettes at all, just because they’re not cheaper than tobacco anymore. That’s not the point. But it would increase the threshold for people to “just give it a try and see if it works”. If, at the time, a pack of cigarettes was 5 EUR and that eGo-T kit would have been 10 EUR, I might have hesitated to just give it a try. It might be a good idea to tax nicotine concentrate a bit more, so people have some incentive to drop their nicotine consumption or go down to 0mg – after all, a caffeine addiction is still an addiction, too.
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:03PM

i will import my goods meaning the UK will lose out on VAT.
Monday, Jul 13th 7:29PM

It would be criminal.
Monday, Jul 13th 5:24PM

They are NOT a tobacco product…so they should not be taxed as such
Monday, Jul 13th 2:11PM

There is absolutely no justification for treating vaping products the same as tobacco products.
Monday, Jul 13th 2:56PM

Taxes on tobacco were to offset the health care cost, vaping should be encouraged to help rid all of their need for tobacco
Monday, Jul 13th 12:55PM

Dear politicians, do NOT regulate it into a black market. I, however already have my black market sources set up. We ex-smokers ain’t playin’!!!
Monday, Jul 13th 1:27PM

The e-cig users I know would never go back to tobacco – even with a tax on e-cigs. I would complain about the tax but would never go back to cigarettes.
Monday, Jul 13th 10:50AM

It would increase costs for no good reason, assuming they aren’t made with tobacco.
Monday, Jul 13th 10:29AM

The fact that they are less expensive in the long run, combined with the fact that there is a big expense at the start, encouraging commitment to trying to stay with them instead of going back when it gets hard, makes e-cigarettes more likely to help smokers quit smoking for good. They should not be taxed like cigarettes are.
Monday, Jul 13th 8:33AM

Vaping is not smoking. Vaping is the solution to the problem of smoking.
Monday, Jul 13th 8:53AM

i think its mainly a matter of principles and semantics. foodies generally arent bulimic, it doesnt mean the same thing so why should they be put in the same basket? I am not a smoker anymore so why should I be opressed as one? yes, i said opressed. that being said im not an economy analyst
Monday, Jul 13th 8:45AM

everything that we as people like get taxed on everything ,if they tax us on vaping equipment lots of people would not try and probably never quit ,I find that disgraceful
Monday, Jul 13th 8:22AM

People in the e-cig industry already regulate their own products to a much higher standard than most other industries..
Monday, Jul 13th 7:10AM

it would be the government wanting money to make up for there loss no better than drug dealers
Monday, Jul 13th 5:56AM

Trying to make vaping less accessible irresponsible, dangerous and will cost lives.
Monday, Jul 13th 3:42AM

I am fairly confident I will never go back to cigarettes. They are disgusting.
Monday, Jul 13th 3:08AM

Never going back
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:27PM

How do you tax something as tobacco when there is no tobacco in it? Do they tax lighters and ashtrays like tobacco? Do they tax nicotine patches and gums like tobacco?
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:06PM

Some tax will be involved it’s the American way, but should Never be treated the same…
Sunday, Jul 12th 1:57PM

they should be taxed and regulated to an extent tobacco taxs are out of the question
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:32PM

If/when the e-cig industry gets taxed at the same level as the tobacco industry, you will see less motivation for borderline smokers/vapers to switch to vaping, in their minds it would be like; Why bother to smoke and vape, its gonna cost me about the same either way, I liked smoking, I’m gonna go back to smoking. Another thing I think you will see is the vape industry go underground, black market kinda thing. Online sales with little to no regulation what so ever will be the way to go. With some of the larger vendors become even larger and richer, and some of the smaller and mid size companies will expand and get larger as well. All the rest, the small fry will either get bought up by the other vendors, or will simply go out of business. It is scary to think that the politicians have the e-cig industry by the short and curlies, for what reason? GREED plain and simple.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:14PM

We are not using tobacco and vaporizers and eliquid should not be controlled and taxed the way tobacco is. Smoking cigarettes is deadly. Vaping is not.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:17PM

Small vape shops would not survive the costs.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:04PM

I hope when regulations come and tax the products, they consider the fact most of our industry is comprised of businesses with 10 people or less. Please regulate us as such, we are not a giant corporation.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:40PM

Its probably gonna happen
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:55PM

This question should be split. Taxed=it would be totally unfair to vapers. Regulated=it would protect vapers.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:23PM

I might go back to smoking because of the price … or go black market with health risks
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:39PM

How is punishing someone for choosing a healthier
lifestyle sane?
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:41PM

The prices would say rocket and people wouldn’t be able to afford it. If am item that is $120 and say gets taxed 70% like Washington DC the price goes up to $205 and that’s just the tax let alone what the shop needs to make a profit so like $230 alot of people including my self can’t afford that.
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:54AM

Those in charge would lower the percentage of niccotine in eliqiud , and we would be stuck with those silly cigarrete look a like e-cigs!
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:31AM

This is the only strategy that will get the government away from criticizing the industry.
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:40AM

I believe that the regulations for the E-cig industry will tower over the tobacco, in that there are over 4100 hazardous chemicals, 57 of them are known cancer causers in each puff of a cigarette. There is no comparison between the 2.
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:20AM

There will become a black market for them.
Sunday, Jul 12th 8:21AM

It would destroy the industry and hurt countless people!
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:38AM

Vaping saves lives compared to tobacco.
Sunday, Jul 12th 6:01AM

Money is one of the big motivating factors, I believe.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:45AM

taxing like cigarettes would drive people back to smoking as prices would be crazy high as they are its not a cheep alternative now
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:32AM

Taxing and regulating e-cigarettes the same as combustable tobacco products while keeping those on the market would result in people who could otherwise switch not doing so. Ultimately that would be detrimental to public health. Some people cannot or do not want to abstain from nicotine, and as adults should have the right to determine for themselves the form they wish to take their nicotine. However, those forms which are less harmful, or perceived to be less harmful to the individual user should be encouraged by less taxation and fewer regulations than combustible products with known health effects.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:06AM

This would be a public health travesty.
Epic stupidity.
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:58PM

I don’t believe it should be regulated or taxed as a tobacco because it is not. Comparing apples to oranges…
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:18PM

if they made if so I cannot purchase the ingredients I need, like nicotine to make my ejuice. I would probably just go to zero nic. But MANY people would return to smoking. If I could not make zero nic ejuice I would probably fall into smoking rapidly.
Saturday, Jul 11th 7:34PM

just be a dangerous health question
Saturday, Jul 11th 6:32PM

Which would suit big tobacco and big pharmaceutical companies producing patches and gum for us all to rely on them.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:23PM

could become cost prohibitive.
Saturday, Jul 11th 12:07PM

The cost is often the first carrot to tempt people to make the switch, and any impediment to getting people to stop using traditional tobacco products is a very, very bad idea (except for Big Tobacco).
Saturday, Jul 11th 8:07AM

I would just by juice in parts and mix my own
Saturday, Jul 11th 4:21AM

This is about me not smoking cigarettes, not about taxes, if the government taxed e cigarettes I would be very disappointed , that would make a tax look like a tax grab not about a choice of the lessor of 2 evils.
Saturday, Jul 11th 2:57AM

Would make me hate tobacco and government even more. Astonishing how the greatest cause of preventable death in the world is still legal and on the market. People have voting power and the more people that take side with the viability of PV’s, the more influence there will be to prevent this from happening.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:13AM

No matter what I’ll will not go back to tobacco , if I had to I would just completely quit it all , just have to replace my time with exercise , painting. Let’s see them tax that !!
Saturday, Jul 11th 12:59AM

I would still vape
Friday, Jul 10th 10:31PM

There are smokers and there are vapers seldom do I see both
Friday, Jul 10th 10:42PM

It is not tobacco.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:34PM

You cannot just pick up an ecig and vape. There is so much you need to learn to work the equipment properly and find a taste that you enjoy and a nicotine level that you need. Vape shops need to be able to explain various products they have. People need to be able to sample the e-liquid before they buy or they will just be wasting money on things that don’t work and just stick to smoking because it is so much easier.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:48PM

It will open the doors to subpar ejuices and mock mods, tanks accessories, black market. No one wants toxic chems in their ejuice, no one wants sub par Mods, tanks.
Friday, Jul 10th 3:04PM

There´s allways a choise not to pay too much. Though it would ruin business locally (the few left, most of them allready went abroad)
Thursday, Jul 9th 2:23PM

While many of us (myself included) would continue to vape regardless (because we are capable of DIY building everything necessary from devices, to vaporizers, to e-liquids) this would stop thousands or more from being able to successfully kick the smoking habit!
Wednesday, Jul 8th 1:22PM

If categorized as a tobacco product, people may think they are just as harmful. Also, the fact that ecigs are much cheaper is a huge factor in people deciding to try them, and ultimately quit cigarettes all together.
Wednesday, Jul 8th 12:12PM

Vaping is not a tobacco product.
Wednesday, Jul 8th 1:33AM

It would be an unconscionable effort by the government to recoup lost revenues from the cigarette taxes that they have profited from to date. History will reveal the great lies and deceit of the tobacco vilification of our semi recent political climate regarding tobacco use, and the huge government profits gained by this slanted social agenda.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 10:22PM

I wouldn’t be going back to smoking but it would effect those who currently smoke.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 6:42PM

I think regulation would be better for safety, but taxing like tobacco would be bad.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 2:37PM

I would start mixing my own e liquid and buy hardware from overseas or from ‘vaping underground’
Monday, Jul 6th 9:57AM

Doesn’t bear thinking about.
Sunday, Jul 5th 10:54AM

Make your own E juice it’s easier then most people think.
Saturday, Jul 4th 4:45PM

And obviously – the only people to gain from this is the government.
Wednesday, Jul 1st 11:58PM

In countries where sale of e-liquids containing nicotine, this would in effect legalize those liquids. This of course means, that the regulation is not completely skewed to not reflect the amounts people use.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 7:18PM

There would be less motivation for smokers to try them. Many vapers would go back to smoking. It would be likely for the emergence of a ‘black market’ with products really dangerous to public health similar to the trade in illicit alcohol.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 2:55PM

Regulation also has the issue that it would basically kill all the BETTER devices, mods, atomizers etc. and cig-a-likes would invade the markets which almost everyone knows are not effective / satisfying at all. Also one of the main things compared to smoking has always been SAVING MONEY while having some “bad habbit”. Taxing and regulation would make everything much more expensive than what it is and would also kill smaller businesses and give e-cigarette industry to tobacco companies who have the money.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 12:43PM

One of the reasons i switched over to vaping is that its a LOT cheaper than smoking( atleast in Finland). Roughly 5€ a pack of smokes, 1 pack a day is 150€ a month. I ordered liquids that i mix myself, cost roughly 80€, and it lasts me 4-6 months.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 10:29AM

No proven harm = NO SIN TAX. They can tax it when they calculate harm and tax-payer burden in financial terms, but it should also reflect the savings/reduction in harm from cigarette use. A decrease in sin tax revenue from tobacco is NOT a reason to tax as they are supposed to be collected to cover associated social costs of cigarette use, which would drop along with cigarette use.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 9:07AM

…and cause many many more people to die unnecessarily from tobacco related illnesses.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 12:22AM

Vaping is a safer form of smoking and most definitely prolongs people’s well-being should they switch to vaping over tobacco, therefore should not be taxed
Monday, Jun 29th 4:42PM

Taxation already exists in the form of VAT on purchases. If taxation is increased I will shop more from abroad to avoid paying the UK Government monies I do not believe are justifiable.
Monday, Jun 29th 5:51AM

I don’t think I would go back, but I would probably look at untaxed sources
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:19PM

Flavours and nic strength wouldn’t be such a choice either. Not to mention finding a device for each individual.
Sunday, Jun 28th 5:53PM

It would be likely to reduce access to non-smokers wanting to vape. That being said, this is a low number of people who it would affect.
Sunday, Jun 28th 2:35PM

They should NOT be taxed – end of.
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:27AM

Sales tax alone is income to the government, sales that otherwise would not be there. Anything more is just government greed and abuse of governmental authority and power. There should not even BE a “sin tax”. Furthermore overtaxing will destroy the industry and put it firmly in the hands of Big Tobacco.
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:00AM

#1. Some people will always smoke cigarettes.
#2. It depends on how high the tax is. If it is
less than cigarettes we have a chance at
introducing them to smokers to save money (and
improve their health)
#3 If the tax is comparable to cigarettes, then
we approach the smoker on change of lifestyle,
improved health, better living environment,
etc.
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:46AM

Very sad day.
Sunday, Jun 28th 9:46AM

Some teens have a passing interest in e-cigarettes, but are far more interested in smoking. One of the biggest draws is saving money over smoking – health is a far second.
Sunday, Jun 28th 8:24AM

In the UK we pay VAT on vaping anyaway so there is no real need to tax.
Sunday, Jun 28th 9:12AM

I would find a black market
Sunday, Jun 28th 7:00AM

While I would never smoke tobacco again, I know many who aren’t far enough along the quitting process and would revert to smoking.
Sunday, Jun 28th 12:36AM

I think the government wants use to smoke as they get a lot of money from smokers. I am sad to say that but I think it is true.
Sunday, Jun 28th 12:01AM

I’m one of the few people that enjoy saying, “I don’t know” when asked something I don’t know the answer to
Saturday, Jun 27th 11:45PM

If e-cigarettes are taxed and regulated the same way tobacco is, this would cause a lot of small businesses to be shut down because they wouldn’t be able to afford the measures needed to meet these absurd regulations, or they would have to upcharge their products so much that it would be MORE expensive than cigarettes. This would put an end to innovative vaping technologies, creative thinking, and ultimately drive vapers back to smoking!
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:23PM

ofcourse, tax it, and I’ll buy tax free online internationally thankyou very much, but if vaping was made to cost anything close to the price of smoking, it would be a complete disaster, it would give smokers no real motivation to vape vs smoke.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:10PM

It wouldn’t effect me because I DIY.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:02PM

This is where the government needs to be locked out!
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:28PM

My shop would close the day after that tax went into effect.
Saturday, Jun 27th 5:22PM

It would be a crime! People deserve the chance and it isn’t tobacco so don’t tax it like it is. Part of quitting tobacco was to save me money.
Saturday, Jun 27th 3:05PM

Taxed like Tobacco would deter people from wanting to try it because they’re paying the same tax on vapor products as they would cigarettes.. At that point it would only come down to the people who would really want to stop, and need the alternative.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:46PM

This is perhaps the biggest concern I have right now. I want to see anyone who wants to try e-cigs to have the chance!
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:57PM

Price is driving a good deal of my business. Taxes will hurt.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:27PM

I originally tried it because I wanted to save money. I really had no expectation of quitting since nothing I’ve tried had worked. If they cost the same as tobacco cigarettes, less people may be inclined to try them. I quit over a year ago and the only reason I’m not saving ugh money is because it has become a hobby collecting gear and new devices.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:37PM

Taxation would mean more people keeping on smoking and not trying egigs
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:33PM

It would lessen the incentive for tobacco users to switch to vaping
Saturday, Jun 27th 11:55AM

nothing would change except pricing
Saturday, Jun 27th 10:13AM

And it would be illegal in France to tax them as tobacco or even near.
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:50AM

It would deter new people to vaping, but to those of us that are experienced it wont. How are you going to tax pg vg and flavor? It is really easy to make, coils wick and all. That’s what’s driving everyone insane. They can tax the disposables, but no one buys them now anyway.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:27AM

I am lucky, I can make mods, atties and juice. Most will not have this luxury.
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:49AM

It would seriously harm vaping and could destroy it.
Saturday, Jun 27th 5:27AM

I would stop vaping and I wouldn’t use any tobacco products.
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:40AM

It can already be inaccessible financially, I feel further taxation, particularly in the ranges I’ve seen proposed, would be downright discriminatory to lower income individuals.
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:19AM

I’d be pissed off!
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:00AM

we will make a black market,no thanks on your tax..
Saturday, Jun 27th 12:32AM

I personally would try to find a black market solution to avoid pointless taxation and stealth vape in public places.
Friday, Jun 26th 11:21PM

Primarily, the majority of folks that would still vape are those that have truly experienced how bad smoking can harm the body.
Friday, Jun 26th 11:33PM

I think it would have to be fairly draconian for me to consider going back to smoking. Will undoubtedly slow take up and discourage switching though, which would be a big fail for public health.
Friday, Jun 26th 4:54PM

I can make literally everything I need myself, except for the nicotine extract. If it’s taxed to hell, I’ll just be planning semi-annual trips to Mexico.
Just sayin’.
Friday, Jun 26th 1:43AM

I won’t be going back to smoking
Thursday, Jun 25th 8:08PM

It depends on the regulations set. If it was controlled by the cigarette industry I really do not know what I would do.
Thursday, Jun 25th 1:59PM

If you treat it like tobacco it will have a stigma of tobacco this may put people off from trying also as money sometimes can be a factor taxing it would also not help it should be treated as a consumer product with some regulations ie 18 age restriction with support of health officials as a way of stopping using tobacco
Thursday, Jun 25th 7:42AM

The government only cares about your tax money and will do whatever it takes to get it. The health argument is just a political goto strategy.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:28PM

I would learn to make my own ejuice!
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:29PM

stupidest decision on the planet
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:09PM

it will assist with closing local shops. And I wll not buy online, so therefore could push me back to smoking tobacco
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:37PM

Flavourings are used in food as well and would be very hard to tax, nicotine and vg/pg would be hard to tax as well and can be stored in freezers for years to come.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 5:04PM

People will continue to smoke, even if ecigs were being given away.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 12:29PM

SIN TAX OK
CIGARETTE TYPE TAX NOT OK
Wednesday, Jun 24th 1:49PM

To treat e-cig users as smokers, and e-cig products as tobacco products, infringes on our rights. It is ignorant and dishonest. it makes me question the people who have been elected into power and the industries pulling their strings.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 9:11AM

Taxed or regulated as tobacco, would be seen as “being the same as tobacco” – even though vaping CLEARLY is not smoking.
The same as banning people to walk around in public with water bottles, since no one can tell if its really water in that bottle, or maybe vodka/gin?
There has to be an incentive to switch to vaping – other than improving health. Harm reduction and harm reversal seems to be the main goals of switching, and the most smokers are low-middle income people, that really wants to save a penny and get on with a life not chained to smoking cigarettes. If tobacco/vaping were to be taxed and regulated even stricter, with higher prices – that would only benefit the big companies and the governments … the smokers/vapers would still buy the products (liquids/e-vapes/cigarettes) even if the price went skyhigh, and the rest of the family (the children) will be left to pay the ultimate sacrifice: What ever money is left, after the vaping/smoking products has been bought, is what is left for food, clothes a.s.o.
Tobacco/vaping gear are “BARE NECESSITIES” – or “need to have” – food and clothes will (by smokers) be seen as “nice to have”.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 10:48AM

My circle of novice users and I will continue vaping because we have a large amount of private stock to last us for 10 years or more. Everyone should do that. someone who Taxes a healthier alternative over tobacco does not earn respect and should never win.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:12AM

Personally, I will NOT go back to smoking tobacco, whatever the law is. If necessary, I’ll become a criminal – after being a good citizen for almost 50 years.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:31AM

in my country it would be twice as expensive as
smoking is so it will be harder to get people to
switch over to the amazing world of vaping sadly
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:10AM

Governments would also be attaching their revenues to a variable source which their motivation is to see diminish. This is the very definition of fiscal insanity and must be resisted, not for the health of the vaping industry but for the health of the population as a whole.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 12:21AM

cost is always a factor but if they cost the same I would still use my vape rather than smoking because it has allowed me to ween off nicotine
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:49PM

for myself, i don’t care. I build my own coils, i can DIY for my liquid to avoid taxes. But it will prevent some smokers from trying and that’s a shame.
Unfortunatly, Taxes may be the only thing that will make governments support the ecig. If they can get their money from the ecig, as much as with the regular ones, and with less health issues….believe me, if this happens, you will see a bunch of officials and media praising the holy ecig…
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:33PM

I believe I would totally quit. We are taxed to death now.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:28PM

The states would reap the profits the small store would close and people will go back to tobacco use because it will be cheaper.( i can guarantee that) people will be dying from smoking more and more. This is not the right answer
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:24PM

You can’t regulate something like tobacco if there isn’t tobacco in it.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 3:27PM

..in Canada to classify a product as something that it is not, for the purpose of regulation/taxation.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:23AM

For me, my e-cig is a health product, why would they tax something that’s saving them spending money to treat me for health issues?
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 1:06PM

If ecigs are treated the same as tobacco, it will deter smokers from switching. If it comes to the point that ecigs are no longer available or so expensive I couldn’t afford them, I’d go straight to the black market without any guilt whatsoever.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 12:17PM

Treatments for disease (tobacco addiction) should not be taxed. Sin tax was placed on tobacco to offset the healthcare costs. There is no evidence that vaping causes any harm to health or increased cost to healthcare. If anything reducing smoking reduces health consequences. We should be handing vapes out in hospitals & healthcare facilities
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 1:00PM

Just like when cigarette taxes increased and we saw an increase of tobacco trafficking, we will see the industry move underground. And probably with a lot more success than tobacco ever had, as it’s not that difficult to do much of this stuff yourself.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:32AM

Before I started vaping I was spending 500$ or more a month between the wife and myself. After starting vaping its half that per month, however, I do splurge on new mods 🙂
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 11:32AM

They say smoking costs the NHS a lot of funds over the years, so are taxed to help cover those funds, yet people that vape are now not using the service for smoking related illnesses, which in the long term should see less having to be spent because of people having a healthier lifestyle?
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:57AM

If e-cigarettes were taxed, I would be pissed-off, but I would still use them (and start hunting for good deals online!)
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:07AM

So stupid to tax it. But we all know its coming.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:14AM

Again MONEY is the primary objective. Big Tobacco and Pharmacuticals have lost aLOT of money due to less revenue by individuals choosing to VAPE. It is a BRUTAL shame that many (IF taxed/regulated) a smoker may never try vaping for THAT reason. I may spend more now stockpiling but in the long run, it will pay for itself! Would I go back to smoking – NO, I’ve been on the other side too long. I have stocked up on a multitude of supplies.
Never will I give my funds to do harm t my body and honestly the thought of the taste of burning tobacco … bleck !
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:32AM

If E cigarettes are regulated the same as tobacco products then we may as well sick a fork in my eye as there is no hope and the world has gone mad!
oh i know lets regulate something to the point its impossible for users to have a decent vape then tax it and encourage converting back to killer cigarettes costing the nhs a fortune stupid f@*ked up world.
Sarcasm!
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 8:16AM

I believe the government does not care one
bit about our health. It’s all about the tax.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:07AM

Vaping should be encouraged, and for those that need help affording this technology, the money raised from smokers for smoking should be made available to any smoker who wishes to quit smoking in any manner.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:48AM

ecigs will eventually become the norm for nicotine delivery!
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:47AM

There is no reason to tax like cigarettes, that is just a money grubbing tactic by the government because so many people are quitting they are losing money. Some states states are going to be in it deep when they need to start paying off the tobacco settlement money bonds.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:28AM

Would make it just as expensive and therefore less viable choice for quitting.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:24AM

People with health awareness could still prefer vaping no matter the cost.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:20AM

taxation will not effect me unless it’s at a ridiculous rate
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:58AM

It would be criminal and the worst decision ever made by trying to gain money from a health product.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:42AM

This is why I learned to wrap and wick coils, and to make my own e-liquid. The government can stuff their taxes in any orifice they feel appropriate. 🙂
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:57AM

I would sue the government, and seek criminal charges.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:54AM

If e-cigarettes are taxed / regulated as tobacco, I believe the government who passes that legislation has effectively murdered millions of people.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:33AM

It depends on how extensive the taxing was and how much the prices would go up. But yes any taxing would make it less accessible and more likely to deter people from trying.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:22AM

It would be a stupid thing to do as one of the main reasons for taxing tobacco is to deter users due to the danger.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 3:33AM

MEDIA, you’re NEXT.


Research on ECIGS is well published and available  HERE and HERE

Medical Professionals are HERE


A work in perpetual progress: Vapinglinks.com

More to come – including the final analysis of the last survey!

As I logged into my blog this morning, I checked a few things. In doing so, I realized – to my surprise –  this is my 100th blog.

55,482 visitors in almost a year, with 97,735 views.

Small numbers in comparison to some I am sure, but I hope you enjoy reading my information as much as I enjoy giving it to you.

I thank you all for your support and friendship both on Facebook and Twitter.

Keep On #Vaping On
Kevin.

E-Cigarettes, Long Term Risks & Health Implications.

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More dangers about e-cigarettes are sure to come out. Experts are constantly finding a new study every day. The media likes to keep the public misinformed. Some experts put their two cents in and the whole world is still confused.

Long term effects are still unknown is claimed by worldwide “experts”.

I LOVE that statement. If you claim there are “long term effects” of e-cigarettes and you don’t know what they are, it is probably your job to KNOW.

After 10+ years of them being on the market, I appreciate you showing how you don’t know how to do your JOB.


In the United States, (according to the Centers For Disease Control) there are 9 million e-cigarette users.

(That’s 9 million non-smokers, by the way).

How do e-cigarettes affect the user? What are the health implications?


Turns out, as you will see below, e-cigarette users not only decrease or eliminate smoking, they also reduce –  in MANY cases,
eliminate medications they’ve been taking for various ailments for years…

Makes one wonder what all those chemicals in cigarettes do to both cause & suppress symptoms…


The very idea that there are long term issues using e-cigarettes CAN be true.

Tell me how “approved” methods work again?


For those of you who think e-cigarettes are just like cigarettes, please show your evidence.
Posthaste.

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Question #27 was posed:

Have you increased, decreased or eliminated any medications since using an ecigarette?

Let’s get to the anecdotal evidence, shall we?


One major think that I have noticed is that while I was smoking Tobacco Cigarettes,I used to get sick 2 to 3 times a year. In the past 2-1/2 years that I have been “Vaping”, I was only sick once!

Less medication COPD

My bp meds were reduced to lowest dose (75% lower)

Pain killers for pre-existing conditions. I attribute that to a better supply of oxygen helping to heal damaged tissue.

i use my inhailers less often now that i’m vaping and not smoking
i have asthma and copd ( sorry spelling )

I don’t have to take my omeprazole for gastritis anymore

Was able to get off blood pressure medicine

Anxiety meds gone. Heartburn meds gone. Chronic diarrhea gone.

halved dosage for GERD

I don’t take any medications except for occasional ibuprofen for a headache.

As stated above, no more need for anti nausea meds and prescription acid reflux meds. My esophagus finally healed from all the heartburn related to smoking.

My health is going better way with my e-cigarette.

Stopped- asthma inhalers, albuterol nebulizer (stopped w Dr supervision & approval due to improvements in lung function & blood o2 levels)
Stopped – anxiety meds and antinausea meds (stopped myself, didn’t need em anymore)

Unfortunately damage has already been done so I am still on asthma meds. plus beta blockers for the heart attack I suffered 8yrs ago, however, have had no angina since I started vaping.

These medications are not vaping or smoking related

I have been lucky to not need regular medication for any reason.

I have severe emphysema and since I started vaping my breathing is better. I do not cough at all. I have not had any chest or sinus infections since beginning to vape
Overall my health has improved

Long term asthma inhailor. no longer in use and quick response maybe once a year…

this is not due to vaping I am a chronic pain suffer and asthmatic I used to blow a 450 to 500 now its 700 to 800 on a peek flow meter so my lungs have got better thanks to vaping

A lot less cold and sinus meds and antibiotics.

less joint pain and coughing related headaches, led to the halted use of non prescription pain relievers.

Less migraines = Less Excedrin
Fewer colds/sore throats = Less Robitussin ETC

I use Ventolin inhaler. I was using it 4 to 5 times per day when I smoked. Now I use it maybe 2 or 3 times a week. Awesome!!

I no longer suffer from lung infections/bronchitis as often, causing me to no longer seek medication for it when it arises.

No allergy/ hayfever gone

Haven’t had flu or a cold since I switched. Used to get flu twice a year like clockwork – beginning and end of winter.

I was on antidepressants and found that I do not need them while on the ecig as I don’t feel so stressed.

Zantac reduced.

Reduced Cpap pressure, down to using no allergy medication

never had any health problems. I mainly quit smoking due to cost and finding out my son was starting on the same path as me.

Much less use of asthama inhalers

O don’t use my blue inhailer as much as before I quit

Eliminated preventative steroidal inhaler, vastly decreased rescue inhaler/nebulizer.

I no longer take any blood pressure medication 🙂

No pain killers needed I’m pain free wahoo

Have not needed my ventolin since I quit smoking and started vaping.

Do not require the use of my inhailer as often.

No more inhalers or broncitus meds

Less allergy medicine

Reduction in the usage of Salbutamol (Ventolin) inhalers as a rescue bronchodilator.

No more inhalers or blood pressure medications and I have lost 55 pounds.

Blood pressure and cholesterol meds were both reduced, and Plavix was eliminated completely (because my clogged arteries cleared up!).

discontinued two prescription drugs for respiratory/allergy issues.

When i where smoking i had the “flu” at least 4 times a year, in the 2 years gone with vaping i havent been sick once!

Cholesterol and blood pressure meds gone!

I no longer have to use inhalers

Because of other ailments not attached to smoking but because of my other problems

I have COPD from smoking cigarettes and I was on O2 at the time that I quit smoking. About a year after I started using e-cigarettes and stopped smoking I was able to get off of O2 completely.

dont have to take my stomach pills every day

no longer need cholesterol medications

no longer need allegra

I no longer use inhalers or need antibiotics for URIs.

Tylenol use has been reduced since my headaches happen less frequently. Also sinus medication like sudaphed is no longer needed.

I have high blood pressure and my medication has dropped by half.

I don’t have headaches and was able to stop taking Tylenol on a daily basis. My nerves are much calmer and my anxiety has gone down.

I’ve eliminated daily maintenance asthma meds, lessened by a lot the usage of rescue medicine, eliminated 2 GERD medications

Im almost of my anti anxiety meds

No longer have to use my asthma inhaler. The day I quit smoking is the last time I have used an inhaler and that was more than 2 years ago

I no longer have seasonal walking pneumonia that required steroids, inhalers and antibiotics.

No more blood pressure medication because my lungs are healthy enough for me to exercise regularly without respiratory issues

Did not get sick over the winter as usual

Blood pressure meds reduced

no need to use steroids, antibiotics or inhalers anymore

not on any breathing aids or anything like that but i bet i would have been if i hadn’t stopted smoking. my mother had every breathing problem under the sun, she only stoped smoking in the last 3 years of her life

I am currently offof blood pressure meds, and am not using breathing meds for COPD

anti biotics from chest infections

Using Asthma inhaler once or twice a month instead of 3 – 4 times a day

I am now permanently on high blood pressure meds – but cannot blame this on ecigs as menopause started around the same time. HBP can be a side effect of menopause.

My high blood pressure medication dosage was halved…but I lost 42 pounds.

The dependency I had on my asthma inhaler has decreased dramatically

I have stopped needing my inhailor as much

My blood pressure is now normal ( no need for pills)
Blood sugar has gotten better ( no need for pills )

Not myself personally however my mom who is a chronic asthmatic and has never smoked, has started vaping and her asthma is almost completely gone. From finishing an asthma pump every week to one lasting her now a whole month!

Completed eliminated GERD medication, which I had to take almost all of my smoking career.

No more HEadaches and very rarely ever take an aspirin now.

dropped blood pressure meds

Used to get bad headaches from the carbon monoxide and took alot of aspirin but no longer

blood presure pills have gone now

I had severe sleep apnea while smoking. After two years with an ecig, i no longer have to wear a cpap.

Blood pressure is now normal. I was taken off medication to control.

I had persistent AMD when I was smoking, and had to have injections in my eyes quarterly to preserve my sight. Once I started vaping instead of smoking, my eyesight improved immediately, and I no longer needed injections.

Have not had to use antibiotics or visit the Dr. for smoker related illness in over 3 yrs. Amen, I say!

No longer take Depression Meds

dosage level of high blood pressure medicine was lowered in mg

Decongestants & cold medications were a staple. I rarely use them now. I do have allergies that make some necessary.

I haven’t needed my allergy or asthma medications as frequently due to less flare-ups of both.

I use my asthma inhaler less and sometimes I can get away with using my vape to help me breathe better in a pinch–like when I forget my inhaler at home.

I was on antibiotics about every 3 months for various respiratory infections. Have not taken them at all since starting vaping.

I have increased my consumption of OTC allergy medications. Smoking tobacco did dull my reactions to airborne allergens.

Reduced my use of asthma medications

Started on 12mg, now on 0.3mg

Hardly use my Inhaler anymore at all!

Don’t use my inhaler or nebulizers anymore

I don’t get ill as much as I did when I was smoking colds, flu etc.

No more cough medicains

Decrease in cold medication

I have reduced my need for using an inhaler for asthma.

What?

Reduced allergy medication.

I feel better in general.

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Seems like long term risks & health implications are that we’re doing something right.

You anectdote, you.


 

What do Medical Experts say?

That’s here.


If you think we’re not screaming at the top of our much healthier lungs, you’re wrong.

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If you think we’re not paying attention, you may be mentioned here soon.



Added 4/06/16

Long Term Effects, MUST read:

Ecigs Health Effects R Cranfield Nov 24 2015.pdf


 

“Popcorn” lung came up again in the news.

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt

The WONDERFUL folks over at Vapers.Org.UK

released a Special Edition on 12/12/15:

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt content!

A Bucket Of Popcorn.

 



 

The FDA has deeming regulations in progress at the moment.

Go here and do something about that.

Then go here as well.


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E-cigarette Research is HERE.

MORE e-cigarette research is also HERE.


Medical Professionals at MOVE are HERE.


See what vapers said about their e-cigarette use here in the first survey.


You can also find me here on Blasting News.

 

Always a work in progress-

please visit my website here.

More to come!

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin.

Dual Use. E-Cigarettes & Smoking. Shut UP Already.

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Dual Use. E-cigarettes & Smoking.

It seems there’s a pendulum swaying in the media for “experts” to ride.

No truth, mind you, they love speculation. What do they care, they’re gambling with YOUR lives, not theirs.

The love/hate affair with tobacco and the tax revenue it brings for public health, government and organizations is pretty well over.

They are studiously defending their own infidelity by trying to find things to convince you you’re doing something wrong. Why?

They’re trying to hide the clear and VERY public point of their irrelevance.  That’s why they want to regulate, restrict, tax & ban.

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Wait….. a minute…………………

It defeated the purpose of the bill when they weren’t classified as tobacco???

….. read that again…

They are a bunch of lying bastards.

Stings, doesn’t it?


Over 50 years of tobacco control hasn’t done what e-cigarettes are doing. They don’t like that kind of attention. They have agendas.

They’ll dote over children, then add in flavors. They talk about gateways. “Re-normalizing” smoking. They’ll spout off about the dangers of nicotine, they love to say “anecdotal” and and on occasion they like to toss in the “dual use” factor. For sport, I suppose. They have no integrity.


To have the “approved methods” and fail is fine-try harder – but don’t be a “dual user” with e-cigarettes!
“Experts” don’t want dual users?

TOO BAD.

So WHAT.

Shut UP already!


From the Hungarian Situation Report.

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Some quit by default, some people just still like to SMOKE. Nothing wrong with that.

That’s their CHOICE.

They want to allude all the way to the tax collecting bank of your possible dual use as bad, that you may as well keep smoking.

(That keeps their revenue coming in.)


Dual use, in my view, is one of two things.

  1. You use both tobacco AND e-cigarettes because you like both and don’t want to stop your tobacco use.

  2. You haven’t found your “taste” and “strength” yet and until you do, will use both.

That’s it. There’s no “evil” of doing both. In fact, I encourage it for new vapers. Why?

It HELPS them!


You’re finding your way. Vaping is different from smoking.

Vaping CAN replace smoking – if you find your way with the right flavor, the right nicotine strength and the right style / generation of equipment you use, awesome.

If it just doesn’t work, you’re one of the approximately 2% who said that in the first survey.

It’s ok. The vaping community as a whole is not going to judge you.

Tobacco control experts may continue to scold you, though!


While you’re finding your way, please don’t listen to the “you’re a dual user, you may as well keep smoking” claims.

If you do continue to smoke, PLEASE keep in mind. You are NOT a failure.

I have believed all along the “approved” methods aren’t MEANT for you to succeed.

The Real Story Behind the Nicotine Patch and Smoking Cessation

In the first survey, I asked about dual use of e-cigarettes & smoking.

The first had 12%. In the second, I asked the same question.

Guess what, 12%.

In two separate surveys.


Does that mean I’m right? Well –  I’m asking vapers.

Who CARES?

The “experts” care, I suppose. Reducing smoking in any way should be the goal – if that were their GOAL.

They want you to “quit or die”.

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Nicotine Policy has their say here:
New research shows electronic cigarettes better for quitting, than no aid; over the counter NRT worse than no aid
Here, via Medical Press:
 Switching from conventional to electronic cigarettes reduced toxicant exposure, even for dual users
Michael Siegel on Dual Use:
Important New Study Documents that Dual Use is Not a Negative Consequence of E-Cigarette Use, But a Positive One

Here, unedited – from the latest survey, is what vapers have said about dual use.
dual use graph

The only time I dual use is because of rare severe emotional distress. Planning to get some NET liquid to see if it helps.


To me dual use is what I did in the first months of vaping. Now if I buy any cigarettes they are smoked till gone then I vape the rest of the time. I do not vape and smoke in the same day anymore – unless I run out of the cigarettes in the middle of a day.


I don’t consider an occasional slip dual use. It’s a continual fight.


I’m free!


quit smoking marlboro 3 weeks ago today. NO desire to go back


Day 1, I’m still shocked, every other NRT was an absolute failure.


Smoking one cigarette a month hardly makes me a dual user so I go with no, I don’t use tobacco products anymore.


I occasionally light up a traditional cigarette, to remind myself what it tastes like. This happens very rarely though. I also enjoy the taste of a nice vanilla cigar.


Within the past year I have smoked a total of 3 cigarettes. All of those occasions I forgot my e-cigarette home or ran out of batteries.


I have been smoke free for 1 year and 24 days.


During my time vaping I have used snus couple of times from friends but I don’t actually buy it myself or use it in major amounts, just occasionally.


I began by using vapor to replace every fifth cigarette. When that was comfortable, I replaced every fourth, and so on. After three weeks, I smoked my last tobacco cigarette and have been tobacco-free for 5.5 months and counting… even though I live with a pack-a-day smoker (he courteously smokes outside)


On occasions my liquids may run out, and i had not ordered more. At times like these i might smoke a day or two.


My dual using has mostly to do with the taste of e-cigs after eating. They taste like shit after you’ve eaten greasy food. I often have a morning cig too, since it just hits with all it’s chemicals the way ecig doesn’t. These two are my daily two “regular” cigarettes tho, everything else is covered by ecig and they do a much tastier job of it too.


sometimes when drunk


the first four days of vaping I was a dual user, at this point in time I never had a pack of cigarettes last four days I smoked two packs a day


I have friends who like to use a hookah device with flavored tobacco shisha, I use that occasionally but it isn’t even a once a month basis.


I still use snus


6 cigs in 2 years says I’ve stopped completely. That’s my answer and I’m sticking to it.



i think the other chemicals in tobacco have me in chains


Been 3 years clean and have never gone back to cigarettes


E-cigarettes helped me stopped smoking regular cigarettes all together!


I smell cigarettes now and get digusted by the smell i dont know how i ever smoked before


I now find smoking disgusting and hate the smell of it.


i vape a juice with sweet flavor, no tobacco and zero nicotine. the device is a metal box with a vapor tank, this is not smoking or a e cig.


I do not want anything to do with tobacco companies !


I know I wouldn’t have been able to quit without the use of my personal vaporizers


Again, the ecig along with Chantix did the trick for me!


Ever since making the switch to using e-cigs exclusively, I no longer have cravings of any kind for any tobacco products


I smoke when I go out drinking as it feels more social and I’m not worried about breaking or losing my mod


I can happily cope without cigarettes. And I would never touch a cig sober but sometimes my battery dies on a night out (because I stupidly forget to check how much charge is in it) and I’ll turn to smoking.


As I have said I do have the odd cigarette, but because I think ecigs are so amazing I know that in the not to distant future that cigarettes will finally at long last be a thing of the past


I have not had tobacco in over a week. I think I can finally make the switch to e-cigs


I have friends that still smoke, occasionally, when we get together, one will smell good so I will bum one from them. I’ll smoke about half, put it out, and wonder how I ever used those nasty things 16 + years.


As a matter of fact, my wife took a blood test to prove to our insurance company that she doesn’t smoke anmymore and PASSED!


I cannot stand the taste of tobacco based/flavoured eliquid, cannot stand the smell of tobacco smoke.




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Here is what they said on the 1st survey about dual use


E-cigarette Research is HERE.

MORE e-cigarette research is also HERE.


 Medical Professionals at MOVE are HERE.


Always a work in progress-

please visit my website here.

More to come!

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin.